CIA Interrogation Report VS. Bowe Bergdahl Report

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  1. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Does anyone not understand this is yet another deliberate attempt to degrade any and all claims to "American Excellence"?
    The right cheers America's stirring the political pot in foreign nations and the left bemoans the U.S attempts to 'democratize' the same nation. But, so many do not consider that any foreign despots would attempt to accomplish the same thing in OUR government. We, after all are the United States, we are excellent and much more sophisticated than those socialist/Marxists/communists.

    How does the U.S. infiltrate and change the minds and hearts of world governments? How do we organize communities in those places to rise up against the powers that be?

    This is one more example of how:

    The Tale, and Value, of Two Different Reports – CIA Interrogation Report VS. Bowe Bergdahl Report… by sundance

    To quote the Obama administration: “Call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever“, but for obvious reasons the beltway oxygen is being sucked into telling the story of the Senate Committee Intelligence report on “Enhanced CIA Interrogation Techniques”, while ignoring the fact that another pentagon report has yet to surface.

    As the CIA report is breathlessly awaited by the leftist storytellers, and media – but I repeat myself, almost no-one is asking about releasing the Army investigation into Bowe Bergdahl which has been complete for three months.

    Obviously one report, the CIA report, allows a story to be told which will disparage U.S. interests; the other report, Bergdahl, represents a political risk. To the latter, back in October as the investigation was announced to be complete:
    […] Army spokesman Wayne Hall said the review process likely would be lengthy, and that “the Army’s priority is ensuring that our process is thorough, factually accurate, impartial, and legally correct,” according to the report.
    The Army is looking into whether Bergdahl had deserted his post in Afghanistan or was away without leave before he was captured, which would be violations of, and punishable, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (link)

    Alas, the CIA interrogation report appears to hold a more favorable opportunity for story telling:
    […] While the full, 6,800-page report on interrogations under former President George W. Bush is expected to remain classified, a nearly 500-page redacted summary is expected to be released soon by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
    The summary will likely contain new information about techniques used by the CIA when interrogating terrorism suspects in the years after the 9/11 attacks.
    CIA officials have opposed releasing the summary, arguing it could jeopardize national security, and have worked with the White House on making redactions to the public document.
    Republicans on the Intelligence Committee have also objected to the findings of the report, and withdrew participation in the investigation shortly after it began. Their dissent is expected to be released alongside the report from Democrats. (link)

    As with the narrative of current racial division and anxiety, the value for the White House is in advancing a story – – facts and pesky details be damned. “Call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever”, but emotional stories carry the fuel needed to advance leftist objectives.

    President Obama and those around him are all advocates of critical ideologies that need to use emotional storytelling in order to advance. Through their narratives, and projections of their interpretations into the media psyche, they sell a very specific story of unfair American dominance.

    Within their story telling facts and/or reality can inherently be a risk, ergo the actual facts of what happened in Ferguson, the facts of what intelligence challenges existed in a post 9-11 world et al, are not so important as the story about America they want to sell.

    The facts are irrelevant, the story is the goal.

    Their collective goal is for the purpose of prosecuting their chosen defendant, the American constitutional and legal order, which must be disparaged, deconstructed and rejected in order for a happy successful ending.

    Yet again, you can clearly see how connected this approach is to the life long leftist world view of anti-capitalism, anti-freedom, and anti-American objectives.

    How do they continue pulling this off?

    “Call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever“…..
     
  2. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So.... "The Army is looking into whether Bergdahl had deserted his post in Afghanistan or was away without leave before he was captured, which would be violations of, and punishable, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice"?

    If Army ask me, there's no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing difference. But the Army will not ask me, but instead doing what the Clown-in-Chief wants, so what difference does it all makes at this point? Bergdahl will be forgotten, Benghasi will be forgotten, IRS and other s debacles are irrelevant... Disheartening...
     
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    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    What Bo Bergdahl report? Obviously Obama wants to just let the matter fade away. The next time we hear about Bergdahl it will be in a Time magazine piece "What Are They Doing Now?"
     
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    The investigation is complete but the report has not been released according to the piece.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you consider America torturing people excellence, then you are just in your conclusion. If you consider America torturing people an affront to freedom and the rule of law, then you might reach a different conclusion.
     
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    "Anti-Capitalism, Anti-Freedom and Anti-American objectives"

    This is funny. I find it interesting that you put Capitalism as the first objective, in front of freedom or America. Capitalism is an economic system, not some pure ideological goal, like Freedom. And even Freedom has it's limits. What is anti-American is torturing our prisoners.... So it is really funny that you are arguing to be so American as you argue for things that are prohibited by our constitution, like torture (cruel and unusual punishment) and indefinite detention without trial....

    Conservatives who support torture could not be less American. And if you are such a coward that you are willing to sacrifice the principles that America stands for because a few radical murderous religious freaks attacked this country, then you are not really an American.
     
  7. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Torture? Like beheading children and flying planes into buildings? Torture like that?

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    Maybe you are right. We should just kill them when we find them
     
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    Is that what you want America to start doing now?
     
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    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    If our enemy's stated goal is to kill all Americans, and since they started this war and continue to kill us, we have no other choice but to defend ourselves.

    Muslims have us all running scared for fear we will offend them, while they behead our citizens. Screw that. We do not need to empathize with them. We need to take the fight to them with a scorched earth policy until they surrender and crawl back into their caves and under their rocks.
     
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    This is one of the most corrupt Administrations in the history of the United States. They are allowed to be corrupt, because the Liberal ideology running the Administration is also running our National News Media, Educational System, and Bureaucracies.

    The Bergdahl Report is purposely being withheld. We already know what all the men that served with him think as they gave many interviews. Each time it was damning for Bergdahl and painted him as a deserter and a traitor.

    Obama celebrated Bergdahl and his family in the Rose Garden. It was a national disgrace. When will the report be released? Likely on a Friday when other news is more important and it will still be heavily redacted.

    The Democratic Party is very Orwellian and evil. Americans following this group are either "stupid" as the administration labeled them or also willing accomplices to evil acts.
     
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    So you think America should become them are start killing children.
     
  12. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    I've seen where kids as young as 10 attempt to take out a tank crew with a hand grenade. Do you shoot the 10 year old running at you with a grenade?
     
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    Well, you're right about one thing, we're scared. So scared that we are throwing away the very things that made this country "excellent". Things like due process, the right against unreasonable searches, and our moral high ground. When we sully ourselves to fight an enemy, the terrorists win, and America loses its exceptionalism.
     
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    What was taken from us most recently was all in the Patriot Act. Porno photos to or a grope to board a plane. We are so terrorized, which proves the terrorists are winning.
     
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    The point of the OP is the Marxists in charge will not release the Bergdhal investigation report. Barry just can't take much more criticism, it sounds like he is about to have a nervous breakdown if one more of his loyal media or Hollyweird types turn on him.
     
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    Well, the NDAA was more recent, but you are right: terrorism is winning, and it's because our government is aiding and abetting. George Bush said the terrorists hate us because of our freedom, then he (along with a complicit congress) proceeded to strip us of freedom, apparently to appease the terrorists. But loss of freedom wasn't enough, we needed to lose our moral high ground, too. Enter torture.
     
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    Do you shoot a child playing in a field with his dog?
     
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    So for you "Excellence" means "not as bad as the worst". Duly noted.
     
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    Release the Bergdhal report, It is certainly to be damning. It is one more scandal Barry wants to just go away. Once more he shows his allegiance to Islam, the religion of piece-by-piece.

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    No,you convinced me otherwise. Instead of capturing them, shoot them on the battlefield and wrap them in pig guts

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    Are the dog and the kid wearing a vest with plastic explosives?
     
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    By all means, release both reports. Disinfecting sunlight and whatnot.
     
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    Nope. Do you understand the concept of someone being innocent?
     
  22. Dutch

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    Of course he does.

    Just curious - if you see a 10 year old running at you with hand grenade, do you turn around, bend over and grab the ankles?
     
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    Do you understand the reality that young children are being taught to hate and even sacrifice their own lives (in recent times) for a twisted barbaric religion?
     
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    Actually, if you wish to read about corrupt administrations, help yourself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
     
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    You left out Capitalism. Was that just an oversight?
     

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