Climate science arrogance

Well it looks like the intelligent conservatives are back. I always knew that some conservatives embraced science but lately I had been wondering where they were hiding when it came to climate change. Here is an article written by one conservative who gets it

Climate change is a conservative cause — really
BY BOB INGLIS

I guess that makes me and some others here conservatives because that's what some of us have been stating for some time

 

No, it just makes you akin to a politician, or worse yet, a lawyer.

 

Hmmmm - a blog - how academically astute! And very interestingly it "sounds" like someone we both know. Thing is with reading assignments it becomes really easy to pick same writing styles - and on the internet it is all too easy write a blog if you want to try and destroy someone's reputation.

But is there any substance? No in fact there is a lot of allegation, not a little supposition and a large amount of ad hominems but no actual substance

 

Really, I guess links to facts in a blog are not acceptable to you? Then why do you defend the cartoonists blog? You just can't stand it because your favorite Australian's blog was uncovered for what it is.

 

Quick question, when someone writes a book, isn't that just a blog? I mean really are you that shallow and obssessed with this rant? Talk about turn offs.

 

This wasn't written by lawyers nor politicians

2014_Quadrennial_Defense_Review

 

It's the military, they do what the Commander in Chief wants them to do.

 

Well how about the GAO

GAO: Climate Change Threatens Energy Infrastructure

 

Now when it comes to the increased infrastructure to weather, that is a given since much more infrastructure exists than before. You will notice that the key word in the article is "likely" not "will".

Of course it doesn't, it takes it's marching orders from the top.

Climate change is going to happen no matter what man does so yes, they should prepare for climate change.

 

There is a difference between a book and an academic text

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Climate like underwear, does not change by itself

 

Gosh really? Well then, tell us everything that makes it change and how it makes it change. Don't leave anything out now.

 

What is that? You made the statement.

 

83 million barrels of oil per day - all producing CO2 - which is a greenhouse gas

And YOUR explanation for the change is……………...

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Referencing - academic referencing THAT is the difference

 

What change? It hasn't changed for over 15 years now.

 

You'll need a source for that assertion.

In the name of fairness, I'll provide a source illustrating that your assertion is incorrect: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/13

 

Hey, somebody has to come up with an explanation.

Global warming hiatus tied to cooler temps in Pacific

Volcanoes contribute to recent global warming 'hiatus'

‘Stadium Waves’ Could Explain Lull In Global Warming

BTW: the Hiatus puts only 2% of the global warming computer models close to the actual temperature.

 

Says you. Do you have evidence blogs don't? You assume. Uh oh, you better remember what they say happens when one like you assumes. LOL.

 

Do you read your own links?!

Global warming hiatus tied to cooler temps in Pacific
"Although surface temperatures are stalled for now, the hiatus doesn’t dramatically alter previous estimates of how much warming the planet will experience in the 21st century, researchers from the United Kingdom’s Met Office concluded in three reports released earlier this month. The authors suggest that the warming previously forecasted for 2050 will be delayed by only a few years.

Volcanoes contribute to recent global warming 'hiatus'
"In the last decade, the amount of volcanic aerosol in the stratosphere has increased, so more sunlight is being reflected back into space," said Lawrence Livermore climate scientist Benjamin Santer, who serves as lead author of the study. "This has created a natural cooling of the planet and has partly offset the increase in surface and atmospheric temperatures due to human influence."
In other words, global warming is attributed to human influence, and this has been partially offset by increased volcanic activity in the last few years. It clearly doesn't support that global warming doesn't exist, or that humans aren't causing it.


‘Stadium Waves’ Could Explain Lull In Global Warming
“While the results of this study appear to have implications regarding the hiatus in warming, the stadium wave signal does not support or refute anthropogenic global warming. The stadium wave hypothesis seeks to explain the natural multi-decadal component of climate variability.”

 

Yes, it proves that there are a number of hypothesis for the hiatus, which means that the warming has not increased for over 15 years and the hiatus exists. You will notice that no matter how much it does not warm, those invested in the global warming hypothesis are not backing down which does not mean that they are right, only that they are invested. The smarter scientists do not claim one or the other because they are interested in the science and not advocacy like the government funded organizations are.

So now that I have given you what you asked for, sources for my assertion, do you still deny the hiatus exists?

 

There's the fraudulent myth that the deniers have embraced wholeheartedly but futilely.

There has been no "hiatus" or "pause" or "extended lack of warming", as some people had previously assumed from looking only at one set of incomplete surface temperature records. The basic laws of physics combined with the direct satellite measurements of the incoming solar energy versus the amount of energy the Earth is radiating away into space demonstrates conclusively that the Earth has continued to receive more energy from the sun than it can shed into space, so the accumulation of heat has continued unabated.

The oceans have always been absorbing over 90% of the solar energy the Earth receives but recently scientists have discovered that even more of the excess heat that the elevated levels of CO2 have been retaining has been going into the oceans and moving into even deeper ocean waters too.

Even an apparent slowdown in the rate of (just) surface air temperature warming, based on the somewhat incomplete HadCRUT data, turned out to be the result of an underestimation of the speed with which the Arctic is heating up (see the first article in the list below).

Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows
13 November 2013

Global warming is unpaused and stuck on fast forward, new research shows
10 December 2013

Global warming continues with no slow down
March 27, 2013

Global Warming Is Rapidly Accelerating
12/31/2013

New Research Confirms Global Warming Has Accelerated
25 March 2013

Global Warming is Accelerating, but it's Still Groundhog Day at the Daily Mail
17 April 2013

In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
MARCH 25, 2013

UN: GLOBAL WARMING IS ACCELERATING, AND WITH DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES
July 3, 2013

Accelerated Warming Driving Arctic Into New Volatile State
December 5th, 2012

New Research Confirms Global Warming/Ocean Acidification Accelerating Faster Than Previously Thought
MAR 27, 2013

Global Warming Accelerating, Say Scientists
ABC News Video

GLOBALLY.....
2010 is tied with 2005 as the hottest year on record going back to the 1800s.
The last decade was the hottest decade on record.
All of the hottest years on record have occurred since 1998.
The coldest years since 1998 are still hotter than all of the hottest years before 1998.
This last November 2013, was the hottest November on record globally.
2013 was the fourth hottest year on record.
The Arctic ice cap is still rapidly melting away.
Large areas northern permafrost are still rapidly melting.
Greenland and Antarctica are still losing ice mass at increasing rates.
The large majority of mountain glaciers are still rapidly melting and disappearing.
Sea levels are still rising at an accelerating rate.

GLOBALLY....this is the actual temperature record.....


Global temperature (annual values) in the data from NASA GISS (orange) and from Cowtan & Way (blue), i.e. HadCRUT4 with interpolated data gaps.
One can clearly see the extreme year 1998, which (thanks to the record-El Niño) stands out above the long-term trend like no other year. But even taking this outlier year as starting point, the linear trend 1998-2013 in all four data sets is positive. Also clearly visible is 2010 as the warmest year since records began, and the minima in the years 2008 and 2011/2012. But just like the peaks are getting higher, these minima are less and less deep.
(source: RealClimate)

 

LOL. I guess the scientists are wrong then.

 

No, the scientists are fine. You are the one who is wrong. Wrong, confused, bamboozled, using old information, ignorant about science, and in denial of the scientifically verified reality of anthropogenic global warming.

Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows
A new study fills in the gaps missed by the Met Office, and finds the warming 'pause' is barely a speed bump
The Guardian
Dana Nuccitelli
13 November 2013
(excerpts)
A new paper published in The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society fills in the gaps in the UK Met Office HadCRUT4 surface temperature data set, and finds that the global surface warming since 1997 has happened more than twice as fast as the HadCRUT4 estimate. The study, authored by Kevin Cowtan from the University of York and Robert Way from the University of Ottawa, notes that the Met Office data set only covers about 84 percent of the Earth's surface. There are large gaps in its coverage, mainly in the Arctic, Antarctica, and Africa, where temperature monitoring stations are relatively scarce. These are shown in white in the Met Office figure below. Note the rapid warming trend (red) in the Arctic in the Cowtan & Way version, missing from the Met Office data set. NASA's GISTEMP surface temperature record tries to address the coverage gap by extrapolating temperatures in unmeasured regions based on the nearest measurements. However, the NASA data fails to include corrections for a change in the way sea surface temperatures are measured - a challenging problem that has so far only been addressed by the Met Office. The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project used a similar approach as NASA, but with a statistical method known as "kriging" to fill in the gaps by interpolating and extrapolating with existing measurements. However, BEST only applied this method to temperatures over land, not oceans.

In their paper, Cowtan & Way apply a kriging approach to fill in the gaps between surface measurements, but they do so for both land and oceans. In a second approach, they also take advantage of the near-global coverage of satellite observations, combining the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH) satellite temperature measurements with the available surface data to fill in the gaps with a 'hybrid' temperature data set. They found that the kriging method works best to estimate temperatures over the oceans, while the hybrid method works best over land and most importantly sea ice, which accounts for much of the unobserved region. Both of their new surface temperature data sets show significantly more warming over the past 16 years than HadCRUT4. This is mainly due to HadCRUT4 missing accelerated Arctic warming, especially since 1997. Cowtan & Way investigate the claim of a global surface warming 'pause' over the past 16 years by examining the trends from 1997 through 2012. While HadCRUT4 only estimates the surface warming trend at 0.046°C per decade during that time, and NASA puts it at 0.080°C per decade, the new kriging and hybrid data sets estimate the trend during this time at 0.11 and 0.12°C per decade, respectively. These results indicate that the slowed warming of average global surface temperature is not as significant as previously believed. Surface warming has slowed somewhat, in large part due to more overall global warming being transferred to the oceans over the past decade. However, these sorts of temporary surface warming slowdowns (and speed-ups) occur on a regular basis due to short-term natural influences. The results of this study also have bearing on some recent research. For example, correcting for the recent cool bias indicates that global surface temperatures are not as far from the average of climate model projections as we previously thought, and certainly fall within the range of individual climate model temperature simulations. Recent studies that concluded the global climate is a bit less sensitive to the increased greenhouse effect than previously believed may also have somewhat underestimated the actual climate sensitivity. The perceived recent slowdown of global surface temperatures remains an interesting scientific question. It appears to be due to some combination of internal factors (more global warming going into the oceans), external factors (relatively low solar activity and high volcanic activity), and an underestimate of the actual global surface warming. How much each factor is contributing is being investigated by extensive scientific research, but the Cowtan & Way paper suggests the latter explanation is a significant contributor. The temporary slowing of global surface warming appears to be smaller than we currently believe.

 

One could argue that world elites hungry for control and power are driving the panic coming from the alarmists.

Yes, it is called nature.

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It was never settled science that the Earth was always the same temperature. Yes, skepticism is a plenty.

 

One could only argue that if one was extremely ignorant and very retarded. The world scientific community is not warning the world about this global warming/climate change crisis because they are "hungry for control and power", except possibly in the deluded minds of the brainwashed denier cult retards.

WOW....you're sooooooo clueless. The point was that there are natural factors that drove all previous changes in the Earth's climate, like slight changes in the Earth's orbit and axial tilt, volcanic eruptions, changes in greenhouse gas levels, asteroid strikes, etc.. Now mankind has raised atmospheric levels of CO2, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 43% so far (still rising fast), and this is causing the planet to warm up and that is causing the long established and fairly stable climate patterns to change.

 

Why??? So she can dig up all the information, find the truth....so you can deny the science, argue with the facts....and then attack the messenger instead of the message??????