Coast Guard officer allegedly wanted to conduct a mass killing, had political and media hit list

There are many on the right that feel Obama inflamed situations as well.....and they do have a point.

While I am not a Trump supporter, I have seen many times where his words have been spun to claim they mean things he is not saying. A large part of that is because Trump is not very articulate. He seems to have a difficult time of being very clear on his meaning and leave it open to interpretation too often. Unfortunately, many people interpret things he says based on their own ideology.

Neither the left or the right are innocent when it comes to promoting violence....or of looking the other way when it happens by those that might more align with their politics. We have had Maxine Waters make a call that could be interpreted as a call for violence. A former Deputy Chair for the DNC could have been interpreted as support for Antifa. Corey Booker has said some things that could be interpreted as support for Antifa. We even had a man attempt to shoot Republican politicians at a baseball practice.

Every group has their good people and their bad people. I have no issue with BLM's mandate.....I have an issue with how some of it's members attempt to accomplish that mandate. Anybody that does not see that their own party could use some housecleaning is either naive or has political blinders on.

That is a lie...or, at the very least, a complete misrepresentation.

Blaming Trump is nothing more than a partisan excuse.....though, as I said, he is not innocent of fanning the situation. In fact, the number of deaths committed by extremists DROPPED significantly in 2017 (34) compared to the number of deaths in 2016 (71) and 2015 (69).

By the preliminary tally of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, 34 people were killed by domestic extremists in 2017. Compared to 2016, which totaled 71 extremist-related killings, and 2015, which produced 69 such deaths, the deadly tally for 2017 was markedly lower. Still, 2017 was still the fifth deadliest year since 1970 for domestic extremist-related killings.

https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/murder-and-extremism-in-the-united-states-in-2017

So, would you give Trump credit for this decrease? If he is blamed for any increase, I would think he would get credit for any decrease. Myself, I do not think he deserved either.

That is also not true. There have been many clashes between the alt-right and the left extremists. If fact, until winter hit, Antifa made it a point to disrupt any event held by the alt-right and vowed to resort to violence as needed. When people from either right or left extremists resort to murderous violence it is more of an indication of their mental state and less as to their politics.

As an independent that dislikes both parties, the difference that I see is when a right wing extremists commits one of these horrific crimes, pretty much all media condemn the act....even right wing media. However, when a left wing extremists commits one of these horrific crimes, many in the media tend to attempt to rationalize it.

 

Smollet got his ass kicked, Steve N. Why the hate from you? You know the terrorist guy is going to hang and that makes you mad?

 

Only sillies think that "We have had Maxine Waters make a call that could be interpreted as a call for violence."

 

And what does a 'draft letter' written to some 'neo-Nazi leader' have to do with anything? How does any 'draft letter' written by some batshit crazy psychopath justify condemning Donald Trump or any of the rest of us who aren't flaming hyperliberal, America-hating Democrats?

Honestly, do we even know that any of these extrapolated conjectures about this obviously crazed man are true at all? Is it just possible that this is just more manufactured BULLSHIT, like all the pre-planned, manipulative, deceitful vomit that Jussie Smollett so easily got his radical Democrat "believers" to buy into -- hook, line, and sinker?!

 

The point is, that he identifies himself as a white nationalist... a nazi.
Nice distracting away from what is absolutely not relevant.

 

That's ridiculous. There is nothing that they can point to that Obama has said that would inflame anybody to the point of committing any murder.

This is just nonsense seeking to excuse right wing extremists.

Being inarticulate has nothing to do with telling his supporters to "beat the crap out of them!"

For not being a Trump supporter, you seem very intent on defending something completely indefensible and looking for excuses for the inexcusable.

I don't know what ideology would interpret "beat the crap out of them" any different than how his supporters do.

Quotes please.

I have never seen any Democrat interpret any words by Maxine Waters even remotely as a call to violence. Whereas I have seen Trump supporters "beating the crap out of them" at his rallies.

So you equate Trump's direct call to violence with no quotes of a supposed statement that supposedly might be interpreted as supporting a group that has never killed anybody but that is the only one that you could possibly argue (though you haven't) that it's extremists.

I'm sorry, but I am starting to sense a definite Trump defense bias, using false equivalences which you don't substantiate.

Of course! But only one of them has put one in the Presidency of the United States.

Like what? Why do you keep being so vague in your accusations? Are you not able to support your statements with clear arguments?

I have provided the links.

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If you're not Trump supporter, why do you feel the need to use a strawman? At this point I am convinced that you are a strong Trump supporter who, for some reason, refuses to admit it. "Blame Trump" is a strawman. Trump is to blame for inflaming his supporters. I'm not blaming him for the murders. Even though the buck does stop with him, of course. But what I'm saying is that he needs to tone down his rhetoric. And his supporters need to demand that he tone down his rhetoric. That's all I'm saying....

Of course not. Why would I? Trump has nothing to do with any other than the extreme right motivated murders. And those have increased.

There hasn't been a decrease. If he had done something to avert the repeat of, for example, a repeat of the Pulse Nightclub Shooting (which, BTW, is attributed to terrorism, but it was not a terrorist attack... but that's not the point), then I would have given him credit. But he hasn't. You get credit and blame for things you actually contribute to. Not for anything else.

As for clashes, I really don't know how many clashes there have been. And it really is irrelevant to this discussion, which is about murders. And I don't recall there being any in any of those clashes. So it would be a waste of time to look it up. Unless you think there is a relevant point to be made.

Please substantiate. Give an example. It's easy to make claims if you don't substantiate them.

 

Wait a minute ... Smollet didn't threaten to kill anybody.

 

Some psycho supposedly writing a 'draft letter' to some 'neo-Nazi' leader signifies exactly nothing. Anybody can claim to be anything (especially if they're absolutely batshit CRAZY). I seem to remember Rachel Dolezal 'claimed' to be Black, and finally slinked out of public view, literally laughed "off the stage"....

I'm trying to remember if any actual, historical Nazi ever advocated 'KILLING EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD'... uh, no... can't find even one.

. "Do we have some follower in the U. S. called "Hasson"? Dude's nuts! Throw his ass OUT!"

 

Where exactly do you see hate and/or anger in my post?

 

..and trump is silent. What a president!

 

Trump is looking for the Coast Guard Lt's commissioning papers that President Obama signed.

I'm guessing there will be a summary court martial in the works under the UCMJ.

 

Ah, don't be defensive. Be proud in your approach to America's problems.

 

What he says about himself says everything.
And he aint no psycho. He is just far right.

 

WHY hasn't Trump commented on this WHITE terrorist?

 

As of 2015, it was estimated that of American adults, 5.4 percent have a serious mental illness (SMI). It has also been estimated that 1/6th of the population in the United States has a diagnosable mental disorder... and this Hasson creature, who says he wants to kill everyone in the world, is obviously one of them.

Trump's trying to keep China from sabotaging and stealing even more of our economic foundation than they already have, along with trying to keep a tidal wave of Central Americans from swarming in here using fraudulent "asylum" claims. And you want him to take time to lecture us about one pathetic psychopath? Ah, yes, but of course that would occur to you because this nut-job happens to be White? Got it!

"White, bad... everything else, good". I've read lots of your posts before now....

 

So now it's mental illness, amazing how that works.

 

But he has time to comment on a TV star, Smollet….isn't that a waste of time.....I suppose not to you...

 

Personally, if I had my way, Trump would NEVER make 'comments' about any of this crap... which have nothing to do with the presidency, and, he's surely got WAY more important things to focus on, like the economy, the Chinese, the broken 'sewer pipe' flooding the country from Central America, etc.

That said, there is a big difference between some insane, wanna-be psychopath (who, yes, does happen to be White!), and some conniving schemer who has evidently and deliberately used being Black and gay to promote himself to greater 'stardom' and visibility in the national mind, while pandering for the sympathy of a gaggle of gushing, hyperliberal, radical-Democrat politicians. Moreover, this Jussie creature made it political by creating such a big deal out of "MAGA" hats -- that was a deliberate, inciteful jab directly at Donald Trump!

Both of these idiots have gotten caught... the first, because he is obviously stupid, and, crazy. The second, because he is stupid, careless, and HE GOT CAUGHT WORKING A SCAM!

The Hasson creature is mentally ill -- can anyone doubt that? The Smollett creature is a manipulative slimebag who sought to use racially-divisive ploys to enrich himself and play the part of the 'poor, put-upon, mistreated, threatened minority'. Comtemptible, deliberate, criminal FRAUD.... NOW, do you see the difference...? Probably not.

"...a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest...." -- Paul Simon, "The Boxer".

 

Some moron makes up race-bating propaganda about a false 'attack' by guys wearing "MAGA" hats so that the other hyperliberal morons will sympathize with him and give him the attention and get him the money he wants and -- NO -- that is not 'mental illness'. That is cold-blooded, criminal manipulation using racial and political hatred as his leverage.

Some other moron (who, yes, does happen to be White) spews out some blithering-idiotic nonsense about wanting to kill everybody in the whole damned WORLD, and does so for what reason...? Yeah, I can't think of anything, either -- except that this particular moron is BATSHIT CRAZY! But, you surely have a different explanation...?

Think, brutha -- when somebody spews and sputters that he wants to kill everybody in the world, then obviously ONE thing we can observe is that his threat is not 'racial' at its basis... this dude wants to KILL EVERYBODY, and that would include anybody in all races, throughout the whole planet!

 

Excuses, excuses!

Only true part of that post was aptly: "...a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest...."

 

Ha, ha! OK, then, Foxy, let's at least agree on that much. For the record, I think that both these creeps, the crazy one and the lying, manipulative one, White and Black as each happens to be, are EXECRABLE! There, now... have a happy weekend.

 

Too bad, and very telling, that Trump only mentioned one.....and we know which one it was ….the least important, the least dangerous one...

 

Was he born here in the US? Trump needs to call for another idiotic national emergency to protect us from whacky natural born citizens. Statistics clearly show that those born here are more likely to commit violent crimes. We need walls everywhere, dammit!

 

He's a never-Trumper RINO, meanwhile Trump's popularity with the rank and file breaks records.

 

Should prisons have walls?