Colorado Christian cakeshop sued a third time for discrimination.

No in so many words but he strongly implied it. Were that not the case Christian charity (and good business) dictates he make the cake and maybe put a tract from his Church into the bill.

 

There's certainly an argument that he could've used it as an evangelistic opportunity, but perhaps he has a policy of not using his business for that purpose. Putting a tract into a bill could be seen as him trying to forcing his religion down people's throats. He may want to keep his business and personal life separate.

 

So he's got a policy of not evangelizing or advertising his Church. And It seems keeping his personal life out of his business is the very problem here. He's going to risk his business over a venial sin? Bullshit. He worships Deus Irae and I can't see why anyone would want to spend eternity with that.

 

The US Constitution should trump any or all other inferior laws Federal trickling down to the local ordinances and the 1st Amendment protects religious belief and many deem sexual deviancy as sinful. Add to that according to a Gallop Poll only 5.3% of people are homosexual and transgender a clear small minority over the greater number of religious persons a much larger minority who also are conservative people of these faiths. I would argue that is protecting the greater minority to guard the superior religious freedom over inferior discrimination not yet even assured under Federal Law by the way like the disabled are. As long as one can go to another vendor to get the goods or service especially if this baker won't make the homosexual's cake someone else will its not an issue for the government to violate the man's right of faith.

The sole way around this is if we signed and ratified a treaty assuring homosexuals and transgender persons such protections in clear language that would create a Constitutional level protection by that means, so did we?

 

I hope for your sake that you don't run a business because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

I don't know, I'm not a baker, but that's up to each baker to decide. Can gays go into a T-shirt shop and demand gay T-shirts? Every T-shirt is basically the same, right? Its about inventory control, and unless legislated, its entirely up to the proprietor...

 

If that gay went into a T-shirt shop and pointed to one of the T-shirts and said I want that gay T-shirt (all the T-shirts are the same) and the owner said I will not sell that to you, then he will be prosecuted for discrimination.

 

What? If the T-shirt shop doesn't have gay T-shirts they couldn't rightly point to one, could they?

 

You're not getting it. There is no such thing as a "gay T-shirt" in that shop, just that the customer, who happens to be gay, referred to the T-shirt as being a gay T-shirt. Just like the cake in the OP

 

I'm talking about what's on the T-shirt, what the heck is wrong with you? If you can't force T-shirt shops to cater to gays, you can't force bakers to either...

 

There were no words on the cake!

 

So how would anyone know its a wedding cake? Seems to me you are leaving something out...

 

Ok, how is a gay T-shirt different from a straight T-shirt?

They are the same products btw since you seem to be having a hard time.

And this is why the narrative that it’s only stuff that is specially created is a false flag, next y’all will be saying there is a gay steak and “they don’t serve those”, or gay oil so “we can’t fix your car”.

 

Seriously? I'm talking about what's on the T-shirt. You are being completely obtuse and obstinate, this isn't rocket science. I get it, that's the typical trashy liberal approach when facts and logic decimate their fascist ideals. I absolutely support any business being able to discriminate against whomever they want, that's what freedom actually is. The market will decide and with online buying and modern vehicles there is really no place in America that is inaccessible to anyone...

 

Oh you didn’t say that, you just said “t-shirt”.

I completely support individuals not having to create images that they find offensive.

There is no reason to go into a personal attack because you failed to articulate your point appropriately, as it just further entrenches your assumed logic and narrative.

The gay wedding cake issue was not about what was written on the cake but rather what it represented, they could have asked for the exact same cake as a prior heterosexual couple and the baker would have still refused.

As to your last point, I will completely agree we should be free to associate which whoever we want, but as long as someone cannot fire a religious person for wearing a cross to work or prothletising, or a white man can not be denied housing because of his race, gay people can and should fight to enjoy these same protections.

Equality should be the ultimate goal which is something I don’t believe many people actually want, they want special treatment for their group and equality for everyone else.

 

The OP is not about a wedding cake.

 

You are full of it. You were being obtuse, and I see that as a pattern with you when you know you are wrong.

The only relevant point is whether or not the baker considers there to be a difference between regular wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes. Clearly that is the case, and as such the baker is under no legal obligation to carry a menu item that is not codified by law. That is what this is all about. Good luck trying to legislate bakery menus, most Americans would resist such fascist measures...

 

What do I “know I am wrong about”, I took your sentence at face value. It’s your fault that you didn’t present a logical argument. Yet again, there is no difference between a gay wedding cake or a straight wedding cake if they are made identically.

I guess my last two points really hit home as you completely ignored them, as you are prone to do when you point has been completely exposed for the farce that it is.

And like it or not, the way we are going on the issue, I see a constitutional amendment protecting gay people just as religious belief, race, handicap, gender, and national origin are protected within the next 20 years if SCOTUS does not intervene before that time.

Y’alls arguments lack depth and are laced with too much agenda to pass legal muster, it’s why same sex marriage went from a dream of many to national law so quickly.

 

They are not made identically, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue at all. Gays could just buy regular wedding cakes, instead they use fascist techniques and unelected judges to force people to 'accept' them. So long as menus are not legislated, the proprietor has every right to make or not make any item of their choosing. Judges have no say, as that's a legislative matter, and not even California has the support to tell every single food service operation what will or will not be on the menu...

 

Ok so tell us, what Ingredients are required in a ‘gay wedding cake’ this is not required in a ‘straight wedding cake’?

They are the same product, I am fine with the baker refusing to service customers — as long as anyone can do the same for any reason including against people claiming religious affiliation — but it’s a little far fetched to say they are different products or require different preparation.

 

Ingredients would be irrelevant, as the same ingredients could be used to make lots of products that bakery might not sell. The primary difference between any two cakes is in the presentation. Its probably the same ingredients for a birthday cake and a wedding cake, but both completely separate products. You are a pretty smart guy, not seeing how this is escaping you...

 

Yet again, if the gay couple walked in and asked for an exact replica of the cake he made for his last straight couple he still would have refused.

What you are trying to indicate isn’t escaping me, it just isn’t true.

He didn’t deny them because they wanted some special presentation or special ingredients that he doesn’t normally sell, or even any message. He denied them only because of their orientation.

 

We both know the gay couple did not want an exact replica, the odds of both couples having the same names would be astronomical.

Of course what I'm saying is true, without legislation, the proprietor is totally free to set their own menu, there is no limit or demands placed upon them by the state. That said, the judiciary has no place in this, unelected judges cannot legislate from the bench, no matter how much you wish they could. Clearly this is a matter for the legislature, but no legislature in America wants to take it up. The issue was muddied when both sides made it a Constitutional matter, that simply isn't the case, its purely a legislative matter that has never been addressed...

 

The OP is not about a wedding cake and had no words written on it. Strange that you keep ignoring that

 

You are making tons of assumptions, the first of which many wedding cakes do not have names. That said I would be completely fine with all proprietors being allowed to discriminate against their customers at will as long it is all customers and for any reason.

Religious people having thousands of protections but not allowing anyone else to have those same protections isn’t going to cut it however.