Comparing Fox News vs. MSNBC

MSNBC is an opinion based journalism. Fox can also have opinions. No one is blaming FOX for having opinions. We blame FOx for lying. There's a difference between having an opinion and lying.

 

No, a NEWS organization cannot report with biased opinions. It's called "leading the public". It's lying.

Anyways, google "MSNBC caught lying"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ann-coulter/2015/01/21/msnbcs-maddow-now-rewriting-instant-replays

Millions of these.

Now, care to tell me that MSNBC isn't a bunch of liars? Love to hear this

 

I agree. Therefore, FOX should not lie. MSNBC never claimed to be a news organization. They are not MSNBC News unlike FOX which calls itself FOX News.

 

Fox has been on top in the ratings since Jesus was in short pants. Selective information (cherry picking) would be when CNN or MSNBC would somehow have a better day than Fox. Int he past 5 years that I have been watching these ratings, I have yet to see that happen. When it does, it's a flash in the pan, and the ratings soon return to where they were. Here's a little clip from Forbes on the news shows...

More at source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...ce-will-boost-fox-news-subscription-revenues/

 

Perhaps that is the problem as news should not be driven by ratings.

 

I find both Fox and MSNBC to be good at reporting world events like a ship sinks, a Prince is born... etc, but where all news sources go off the rail is in the oped. People like Sean Hannity are not newscasters, they are political pundits that way too many see as objective journalists. The same can be said for Rachel Maddow.

 

you clearly aren't paying attention...plain and simple.

 

Au contraire. It is YOU who are choosing to look at the facts through fogged glasses.

 

Sadly, everything is driven by ratings. THAT is not disputable.

 

But 55% of Fox News viewers are Democrats or independents.

 

Please cite and actual example of Fox News purposely telling a lie.

 

I would say the political talk shows on both networks are nothing more than propaganda arms of the RNC and DNC. Be that Hannity or Shultz or Maddow.

The daytime news seems about the same however, but guests seem to be in line with the networks point of view.

 

Here's how the Faux network reports the Jenner situation:



http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/...s-repeatedly-mocks-misgenders-caitlyn-jenner/



Fox News Repeatedly Mocks And Misgenders Caitlyn Jenner



A segment on Fox Business’ Cavuto repeatedly mocked Caitlyn Jenner, who debuted her new identity Monday on the cover of Vanity Fair, and misidentified her with male pronouns.

Neil Cavuto introduced the segment by asking in an exaggerated voice, “What the hell is going on?!?” The reporter, Dagen Mcdowell then proceeded to incorrectly use the pronouns “him” and “his” to refer to Caitlyn seven times.

Cavuto makes a joke of wanting to end the segment quickly, “Look at the time…” He then introduces his next guest, Charles Payne, as “Charlene Payne” to uproarious laughter.

Cavuto wraps of the discussion by suggesting the Vanity Fair cover was a sign of the end of American civilization. “Rome, final days. But that’s fine,” he concludes.

 

Yawn...........

 

This thread is biased - as predicted this thread just boiled down into a "let's bash Faux News" thread, since threads are never an objective discussion on bias, and typically come from people who are under the impression that their own network of choice isn't "biased"

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

MSNBC and FOX both lie. People don't watch them to get the news - they watch them to have their preconceived notions validated.

I had a hard time figuring out which FOX news lie to give you, with so many to choose from, here's 2 for now though:

1. "Accidentally" identified Mark Foley (from the Congressional Page Scandal) as a Democrat on 2 different shows, showing the same graphic multiple times with a D next to his name. Strange that this "mistake" happened more than once on 2 entirely different shows...hmmmm....

2. Actually ran a story on "Killer Marijuana". A scare story about how dangerous pot growers are setting up shop in the suburbs growing killer marijuana in houses booby trapped to explode should the cops bust in. Regardless of a persons thoughts on marijuana, you simply cannot smoke 15 pounds of the stuff in 15 minutes, which is what it would take to die of an OD from it. They even had the audacity to say that the weed is so dangerous because "there are grow lights on the plant 24 hours a day". Oh, please.

I'm sure you probably don't need any examples of MSNBC lying, but in case you do,

1. Zimmerman Trial - edited the 911 call.
2. Rachel Maddow claiming raising the minimum wage wouldn't cause us to lose ONE single job. LOL, whatever you say lady.

 

And which of those is more misleading? At least the MSNBC slogan implies they are progressive leaning, while Fox's slogan pretends they aren't... leaning backwards. A more realistic slogan would be calling themselves the conservative alternative to the liberal media.

I have seen them bring on people from both sides regularly, but whenever the leftist person starts to make a good point, they cut him/her off. In some cases, they'll have one relatively weak leftist speaker in company with several of the best the right has to offer. Basically, it's more trying to seem fair and balanced than actually being so.

They're both biased, but what irritates me about Fox is that they pretend they're not. While with MSNBC, it's more like... yeah we're leftist, and we're correct. Bias doesn't imply wrongness, only that one or both sides are delusional.

It's actually an appeal to expert opinion (appeal to authority), but it's also fallacy.

The confusion that we get from nutrition mostly comes from the media drawing premature conclusions from preliminary scientific work - and much of nutrition science is preliminary. Some branches of science are more straightforward than others - Newtonian physics, for example. Sociology I think will be the last to fully develop, and nutrition is finally maturing. The tools required to understand it haven't been available for very long. Black coffee is okay to good for you, unless you have certain heart conditions. We don't really have to know the mechanism, we've just done enough large epidemiological studies (e.g. Nurse's Health Study) to see that people who drink more coffee do slightly better, adjusted for confounders. Alcohol is good for you in small doses, very bad for you in larger, chronic doses. Egg yolks? Not sure if that's really known off the top of my head, but we're finding that whether fats are good for you or bad for you probably has more to do with their inflammatory or anti-inflammatory effects than other factors. Since we're relatively recently understanding that atherosclerosis is strongly influenced by inflammation (having excess fat tissue is inflammatory, but eating fat doesn't necessarily make you fat unless you have a calorie excess).

Not true. I think most people believed the world was flat once. But a scientist by definition is somebody who uses the scientific method to test hypotheses. I do not think many, if any actual scientists who considered the question of the shape of the earth concluded the world was flat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

I just don't think it takes a scientist to understand that releasing greenhouses gases into the atmosphere will change the climate. It's not a question of if, but how and when. Scientists struggling to find the model for the phenomenon does not negate this reality. The world isn't so big that billions of people can't affect it.

 

FNN gets a big segment of non-conservative viewers and you can combine the other two which as a conservative and Iike you surf through and they don't even come close.

 

They do both, hard news and commentary. Learn the difference. One is more objective, FOX. One slants it's hard news MSNBC. One offers both sides of an issue, FOX. One rarely does, MSNBC. CNN falls somewhere in the middle with good hard news but unbalanced commentary.

 

Of course both purport to offer "hard" news - and hyper-partisans of either ideological bent actually regard their preferred venue as a reliable source of it.

Interestingly, political entertainment media is showing signs that it is losing its audience as hardcore devotees die off.

I suspect that there will always be a show business refuge for those increasingly alienated from America as progress continues - especially as the 90% GOP moderates its tired shtick as an existential imperative to attract the votes of an increasingly diverse nation.

Vapid bombast may always have its allure for the ideologically hidebound, but "Roller Derby for the Ears" in no longer a viable formula, even for the aging, chronic malcontents.

Eventually, it dawns on even the most obtuse that it is real politicians that we elect to represent us, and that the tawdry sideshow is just cheap escapism.

 

a story the Fox network liars tried to cover up:


West Point drummer injured by ax thrown by 'Fox & Friends' co-anchor

Source: Poughkeepsie Journal

A West Point drummer was injured after he was hit by an ax thrown by a “Fox & Friends” co-host.

The drummer for the United States Military Academy was performing as part of a segment on the show when the anchor, attempting to hit a target, hurled the ax the drummer’s way, according to the article published on the Daily News’ website.

The chilling scene did not air on the TV network, but was captured on a witness’ cellphone and posted on YouTube.

In the YouTube video, the anchor, Pete Hegseth, is seen throwing the ax, but it did not hit the bullseye. Instead, the ax is propelled at West Point drummer, Jeff Prosperie.

Read more: http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/...red-ax-thrown-fox-friends-co-anchor/29148795/







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No TV here. I shut it down years ago. There's nothing on. I can get my news from the internet. I have movies. I can go to the local sports bar if there is a game I want to see. Very happy.

 

your bias and hate makes you mis or uniformed

a Pew Research study concluded that Fox news is about 55% commentary/opinion and 45% news MSNBC is about 85% commentary/opinion and 18% news
http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2013/special-reports-landing-page/the-changing-tv-news-landscape/



Poll: Fox News most trusted network

In comparison rankings, 29 percent responded that they trust Fox News the most. CNN follows with 22 percent, CBS News and NBC News are at 10 percent, ABC News at 8 percent and MSNBC at 7 percent.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/fox-news-trusted-network-poll-115887.html#ixzz3eT9u1vza

Fox news is four times more trust worthy then MSNBC

next time do a little home work before you come on the forums and spew your nonsense you would look less like a fool

 

There was a study by the UCLA School of Journalism a few years ago. It found a Fox to be the most accurate news source ... less biased than CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

But it's funny to see liberals foaming at the mouth when you mention "Fox News".