Comparing Georgia’s new election law to a few Blue States

If I do that, will you explicitly, clearly and publicly admit (on this forum) that the law makes it more difficult to vote?

I have shown you evidence in the past which you haven't even acknowledged. So why waste my time?

 

I can tell you what it’s like in FL. You register by providing all the necessary docs any citizen should have. You show up, show an id, they digitally cross off a list and you walk in. Easy. Now if you don’t have ID, don’t know what to tell those people. Hard to know how they got to the polling location or care too much about voting, since they can’t work and must not have any money. Don’t think voting is on the priority list.

 

The question is whether the law makes it more difficult for specifically MINORITIES to vote. If you can support your claim, then I will absolutely publicly admit on this forum that the law makes it more difficult for minorities to vote. I won't be holding my breath though!

"In the past", as in BEFORE this Georgia law was passed? If so, are you sure that your above sentence makes sense?

 

Page 31: The superintendent of a county or the governing authority of a municipality shall have discretion to procure and provide portable or movable polling facilities of adequate size for any precinct; provided, however, that buses and other readily movable facilities shall only be used in emergencies declared by the Governor … to supplement the capacity of the polling place where the emergency circumstance occurred.​

In 2020, RVs were used as mobile polling places to make it easier for people to vote by taking the polling place to churches, libraries, parks, ... In Fulton County, 11,200 people used this alternative in 2020. The majority of them latinos and blacks.

https://www.fultoncountyga.gov/services/voting-and-elections/voting-mobile-unit

 

For a guy that brags about how thorough he researches topics you sure blow a lot of smoke and spew unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

Reality check:

Georgia voting law: Reality differs from the partisan spin - CSMonitor.com

... As enacted, the law does not require counties to provide Sunday early voting. But it allows counties to decide whether to open for early voting on up to two Sundays prior to an election day.


Blue states can also make it hard to vote — including Biden’s adopted home of Delaware - Alternet.org

.... that talking point doesn't make the Georgia law any less odious — it simply means that Democrats have some work to do in their own backyards when it comes to encouraging voter turnout

 

Your claim... your research. Read my sig!

Every word I said is accurate.

 

I’ve read your sig. Laughable fiction at best.

 

I do understand why you would prefer to debate my sig, instead of the topic of the thread you opened. It must be obvious to you, at this point, that the premise of your thread does not hold water. So you changing the subject was to be expected.

Thanks anyway....

 

You asked him to read your sig.

He read it and commented on it. Now you are accusing him of changing the subject. You are the one who changed the subject.

What did you expect?

I laugh at your sig too.

 

I’m fine with debating, but when you write nonsense it’s hard to debate. Nothing you said above has any basis in fact; it’s all folklore and LW myths. Nothing in the new law puts minorities at a disadvantage versus whites.

 

"It's pretty evident that those who drafted the law took a look at" Georgia's investigation into voter fraud. What they saw were dozens of cases being referred for criminal prosecution. The also saw that the majority of cases investigated were tied to Stacey Abrams / Raphael Warnock's PAC "New Georgia Project" illegal registrations

 

IT IS UNWISE TO THINK DANGEROUS THOUGHTS, COMRADE: A Majority of Voters Think Cheating Affected the Results of the 2020 Election.

Even nearly a third of Democrats admitted that they believe cheating may have impacted the result—meaning that they think Trump may have been the legitimate winner of the election.

“Concerns about cheating have plagued President Joe Biden ever since Election Day. In November, 47% of voters believed it was likely that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win. Republican officials have responded by launching an election integrity project to make it ‘easier to vote and harder to cheat.”

The poll also found that voters are far more concerned with election integrity and think it's sufficiently easy to vote. 60% of Likely Voters say it’s more important to prevent cheating, while 37% said it’s more important to make it easier to vote. "Only 22% of voters say it is currently too hard to vote, while 34% said it’s too easy to vote, and 41% say the level of difficulty in voting is about right.”

 

So that means that those 11,200 people will never be able to vote ever again? Also, how do you know that minorities are the majority of these people?
You're also assuming that just because the majority of them are minorities, this means that this change specifically targets them. That's a conspiracy theory.

 

My sig is not the topic. Using it to evade the issue is exactly what my sig is intended to curtail. So, anybody who wants to have a meaningful debate (not that this applies to you) will follow it.

 

When you write nonsense it's easy to debate. Because I can show it's nonsense. The only thing that makes it difficult to debate is you changing the subject (like you have) or refusing to provide actual counter-arguments (which you also have)

If anything I say is wrong... show it! Even a 10 year old could sit here and write "what you write is nonsense". It takes much more brain-power and knowledge of the topic to actually prove that it's wrong.

Clearly you can't, so... I guess that's that. Thanks for playing.

 

What nonsense! Read again what we are talking about!

 

You are the one who brought up your sig.

 

What conspiracy theory? Who is conspiring? It's done by Republicans alone.

Now, admit that I showed a law in which minorities are targeted. Like you promised.

 

Georgia Lawmaker response to Biden's lies about "Jim Crow laws"...
"So, in light of President Biden’s concerns about our law here in Georgia, I have decided that I am going to introduce new legislation,” Cantrell continued. “The name of this new bill is going to be ‘The President Joe Biden Jim Crow on steroids Voter Act.’ … This new bill will change our voting laws so that they mirror the president’s home state of Delaware.”
“This law will have five key features to make us like Delaware,” the state representative began. “Instead of having up to 19 days of early voting like we have here in Georgia, we’re going to have exactly zero early voting days, because that’s how they do it in Delaware.”
“Instead of having no-excuse absentee voting, like we have here in Georgia,” Cantrell continued, “we’re going to make you have an excuse to have an absentee ballot, and that excuse will be you’re either sick or you’re disabled, because that’s how they do it in Delaware.”
“Instead of having secure drop-boxes where you can place your absentee ballot in one of those drop-boxes for security’s sake, we’re going to provide you with exactly zero drop-boxes, because that’s how they do it in Delaware,” he said.
“And instead of being able to get food or drink from anyone outside of the 150-foot buffer zone while you’re voting, or being able to be provided water inside the 150-foot buffer area, we’re going to make it illegal for you to receive anything of value at any point while you’re standing in line to vote, because that’s how they do it in Delaware,” Cantrell added.
Finally, the state representative addressed what he claimed would be “the worst feature of all.” “Instead of being able to vote in relative quiet like we do here in Georgia, we’re going to make it so that when you walk up to vote they’re going to announce your name, out loud, so that anyone in the precinct can object to your right to vote. And worse yet, during a primary, they’re not just going to announce your name, they’re going to announce your party affiliation, as well. Why? Because that’s how they do it in Delaware,” he said.

 

What you Trump followers don't get, but Georgia lawmakers do (and hide from you) is that this law is "restrictive" because it restricts voting people of certain areas and certain ethnic groups by making it more difficult to vote.

Delaware does not enact anything that is more restrictive for one part of the population more than other. There are no long lines to vote in Delaware. It's easy to vote. And they are making it easier by passing laws to allow no-excuse absentee voting. While Georgia is going in the opposite direction: making it even harder than it already is. But specifically targeting ethnic groups and communities that are more likely to vote for democrats.

 

That's how it actually works.

 

LOL, you can SHOW nothing. Jabber, slogans and twisted nonsense. And now you’re trying to shift the blame to me?

LOL, there you go again, throwing it over to me. The ONLY counterpoint to nonsense is to point out that it IS NONSENSE. You deliver LW talking points as if they were universal truths. Georgia has extended early voting, added additional weekend days, instituted procedures requiring precincts to take measures to ensure voting lines are never more than an hour long, etc. And you still maintain somehow they’re suppressing black voters. Your point is ridiculous on its face.

 

So there are different voting rules for white people and black people in Georgia?
Didn't think so.
And if you were honest, you would admit that.
Or, are you of the racist belief that blacks can't give the last 4 numbers of their ss number, show a drivers license, or plan a day and time to vote early, like the rest of us do?
It takes away the opportunity to pack ballot boxes with mail.in ballots from people had no interest or intention of voting, but got mailed a ballot anyway, after they are secured by "activists" who can just scribble a signature on the envelope and have a poll worker declare it "close enough".
The voting field is level, and secure, as it should be.
The reason you are squealing is your paths of cheating in an election just narrowed.

 

Now you're starting to get it.... Yes! This law makes it more difficult for black people to vote. Like in big urban areas, or in counties that are run by Republicans that can now eliminate voting on Sundays when black church-goers are used to casting their vote, or eliminating mobile voting centers that were used to make voting easier in areas with more black population... and so on.