Complain to your sitting member about the CARBON TAX SCAM

Still wondering what you think a "carbon tax" actually is.

Was the ETS Howard proposed a "carbon tax"?
Is Abbott's idea to use taxpayers money to pay polluters a "carbon tax"?

 

Wrong. She lied, and the reason she wasnt able to drive through her desire to achieve the lie is just her incapacity to run a functional government. She tried to break her own promise to the people, because she was trying to keep promises to the people she made deals with to form government, you know all the chefs in the kitchen. Pity none of them can cook.

 

She promised the people to implement a price on carbon.

Do you think she should have broken that promise?

 

I don't need Alan Jones to tell me anything. The question regarding the troll queens deal with the UN was asked in Parliament question time by Julie Bishop.

What you are saying is the money ($599million) is coming from the foreign aid budget. So does that mean Indonesia is still getting their $558million; Papua New Guinea $482million; Solomon Islands $261million; Afghanistan $165million; Vietnam $137million PLUS the added $599million awarded to other countries?

 

Show me where Gillard said she would introduce a carbon tax before the 2010 election or during the election?

 

Can't you read?

I said "price on carbon". An emissions trading scheme. Just as we have

Julia Gillard: My carbon price promise

JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...se/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000#ixzz1lwZ1dFBS

Gillard unveils climate policy
Ms Gillard reiterated the government's commitment to a market-based mechanism,...Ms Gillard recommitted to the need for a market mechanism to meet emissions reduction targets.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...ia-chan-pd20100723-7LV3X?OpenDocument&src=hp1

She said no tax. And we don't have a tax. We have a market based mechanism. I wanted a tax - so I didn't vote for her.

 

Why do you change the subject, then re-state the same point.... you'll just get the same responses. If we all just repeated ourselves for the sake of hearing ourselves speak it would sound like an ALP conference.

 

Why did Culldav ask me to show evidence for something I didn't say?

 

A carbon pollution reduction scheme - not a carbon tax!!

Where is the independent climate change commission?

Are you off your tree in suggesting that Gillard is not introducing a carbon tax? LOL

If you want lick Gillards shyte from your face and demean yourself into believe the troll queen is telling you the truth just so you can sleep better at night that you have helped save the world; then more power to you, but some of us are not that naïve.

 

Because I can!!

 

You did say it, we/you were talking about the carbon tax lie..... and then decided to go offtopic about carbon price.

 

Yes - a price regulated by the market (with a 3 year fixed price period) - not the government.

I would prefer a government regulated price (for more than just 3 years). A tax

Looks like she lied about that.

Are you off your tree in suggesting that Gillard is not introducing a carbon pricing policy in accordance with Labor policy?

Is Abbott's proposal to use taxpayer money to pay big polluters a "carbon tax"?

 

How is a carbon price "off topic"?

That is what the PM said she would deliver.
That is what she was elected to deliver.
That is what the government has delivered.

 

Its not offtopic to the thread, but its not was being talked about when you replied. I guess that is how you concede a point, fair enough glad you can agree when your wrong even if its by behaviour and not words.

 

Abbott doesn't know what he's doing. All he is interested in and focused on is becoming PM - just for the history books.

I know Abbots flaws and that he is a liar, but you obviously are so entranced and attracted by the pheromones in the shyte Gillard regurgitates, that you believe anything she tells you. How can you offer a constructive unbiased argument or debate when you cannot even use critical analysis when discussing Gillard or the Labor party.

 

Gillard really has not been looked after by her PR team.

This: "Oh, look, I’m happy to use the word tax. I understand some silly little collateral debate has broken out today. I mean, how ridiculous."

Was the single biggest mistake Gillard has made as PM.

She should have just continued to call it what it is, a carbon pricing scheme with a 3 year fixed period. She should have repeated that over, and over again until they stopped asking the question.

Semantics matter in politics.

 

Agree that her PR is appalling.

Saw her on 730 last night. Wanted to punch her. Why doesn't she just talk like a human? She used to before she became PM.

I wish she would wake up to the fact that a lot of people hate her - and talking like Sir Humphry Appleby will not make then like her again.

 

Doesn't that just highlight what a bunch of incompetent morons they are?

 

Gillard is an embarrassment to the Australian people and to the position of Australian Prime Minister. I cringed with shame and embarrassment when I saw Gillard grope and kiss Obama. No offence intended to anyone, but she reminded me of one of those fat children with down syndrome running up to kiss someone after they had given them a balloon. Gillard has no etiquette, no demeanour, and no class.

The way she talks and constantly repeats words and sentences like a parrot is hideous.

 

You probably should read a thread before commenting.

I have stated many times that I do not agree with the government and I did not vote for them.

Gillard said there would be no tax, and it lost her a lot of votes. She did say she would implement a price on carbon, and that is what she did.

The truly sad thing is the constant bleating of "JuLiar" and other such crap by a significant proportion of the population as they moan about the "carbon tax" show just how stupid and ignorant many voters are. They buy the crap from Jones etc hook line and sinker - never once stopping to think that their precious Liberal Party want to have a ACTUAL carbon tax - ie - use tax money to pay polluters to achieve exactly the same reduction targets as Labor.

Bottom line is - Australia needs to move to renewable energy - and the faster the better. Neither Labor or Liberals are helping the cause much.

 

During Parliament question time, Julie Bishop asked Gillard; “why she made an agreement with the UN that required 10% of any Australian carbon tax raised to be given to the UN’s Climate Chance Fund.

You told me this $599million UN carbon tax funding was coming out of Australia foreign aid money to the UN.

Can you provide any evidence or link to substantiate that the carbon tax money of $599million is indeed coming out of Australia’s foreign aid money, and what was the total of Australia’s foreign aid money commitment prior to the additional $599million being deducted from it now?

 

I already gave it to you. Try reading it.

The Fast Start Finance program has nothing to do with the emissions trading scheme

 

Frankly what she has managed to achieve as a minority government, who controls neither house, is quite remarkable.

We do not have a good history of "classy" PM's.

Howard was just as cringe-worthy as Julia in front of the camera, and significantly uglier.

Kevin was better, but he tried way too hard.

Keating's always been good in front of the camera.

Have people forgotten Politics 101? Never believe anything that any politician says.

But to be fair, it's stupid to hold up things that politicians say as "promises". Journo's are always pushing for them to make "commitments", it's a bit ridiculous. Circumstances often change, they have to reach compromises, or put things off. Prime example, when parties make election promises, it's pretty obvious that they're making them on assumption of WINNING THE ELECTION. Not on forming a minority government, controlling neither house.

 

I think you are making excuses for politicians really bad behaviour, and if friends or family treated us like politicians treated us, then we would want nothing to do with them, but for some unfathomable reason, the public forgive politicians for lying to their faces.

 

So if they say something like, "next year we'll go on holiday to Hawaii" and then the economy goes to crap, or they can't get time off work, and it doesn't happen or they can only go to Bali, we scream "LIAR!!! WITCH!!!" And throw feces at them? No, we give politicians a hell of a hard time. I wouldn't want to do their job.

Politicians simply won't make any commitments if the media is going to keep crucifying them. That's most of the reason they have the prepared speeches, the party one liners for interviews, armies of PR guys and spin doctors, etc. So they don't get "trapped" by journalists. And it's why Abbott pulled out that "core promise/non core-promise" rubbish.

There's too much hysteria around politics, people just need to calm the f*ck down.

Like all this stuff about people feeling "betrayed" by Gillard because her Carbon pricing, which she "promised", has a 3 year fixed price. It's moronic.