Conservatives and Racism

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by longknife, Aug 30, 2014.

  1. Glock

    Glock Well-Known Member

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    yet blacks kill blacks 94% of the time, and whites kill other whites only 83%.....

    but lets keep talking about black on white crime....

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    but yet, in your very own thread, you have conservatives displaying the opposite of what you are saying.....

    if someone like rayznack votes, which party do you think he choses?

    Obama? Doubt it.
     
  2. Mr. Swedish Guy

    Mr. Swedish Guy New Member

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    I'd like to see which questions were asked. I am very sceptical.
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now you are just projecting. You are obsessed with race as many on the left seem to be. Poor doesn't mean criminal. Culture is the key.

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    Since I am white, black on white crime would be my only real concern wouldn't it. I can do nothing about black on black crime.
     
  4. Glock

    Glock Well-Known Member

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    Since you are white, I would think your only real concern would be white on white crime, seeing how you would have more probability of a crime being perpetrated by a white to a white, given the population demographics and all.....

    But I guess everyone needs a boogeyman.....
     
  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That too.
     
  6. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    Provide a single cognitive test showing equal ability between Whites and Blacks.

    There are also not numerous factors that significantly affect IQ scores other than intelligence. I believe I dispelled that argument the last time I caught you lying by claiming motivation on IQ tests resulted in the 15 point IQ gap between Whites and Blacks when you linked a paper that merely said motivation affects IQ on tests with little significance.

    Leave it to lie now just as you lied then.
     
  7. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    No. Its not. The IQ test is a poor measuring tool for raw intelligence or genetic intelligence. A persons IQ can change by 20 points when that person is educated to a higher degree. Reading to a toddler will affect IQ for a lifetime. IQ within a people will change dramatically within one generation when environmental factors change.

    The real problem is culture...not IQ. When you focus on how superior your race is compared to blacks...you are just hurting yourself and helping no one. Perhaps you should focus on how superior Asians are when compared to Whites. Then you would wonder....why are they just 3rd world? Why are they not the world leaders? How could America, and Britain be so influential and yet the Asian world ....not so much.

    Perhaps your focus on IQ is just irrelevant.

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  8. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    What are the statistics on Black-on-White and White-on-Black crime, including hate crime?
     
  9. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    Ignoring your baseless assertions, there's no Flynn Effect for tests measuring g-loaded intelligence, which has not shown generational change.

    IQ has experienced a secular increase over the decades with the Black-White gap holding steady - just as height and male-female gap in height.

    Based on your boneheaded conclusions, one can claim, therefore, females will be just as tall as males because height has increased.

    Culture has little affect on adult IQ as it is currently estimated adult IQ is as much as 80% genetic.

    As far as "[t]he IQ test is a poor measuring tool for raw intelligence or genetic intelligence", I'm curious for evidence, let alone what that means.
     
  10. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    So disproportionate Black-on-White violence is mitigated by the fact most Blacks are killed by Blacks?

    Why would Whites care slightly less about White victims of Black violence because Blacks don't care about their victims, Black or White?

    Tell that factoid to Sharpton, Jackson and the rest race-hustling media, btw.
     
  11. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    That's why Blacks rape at a rate higher than Whites or even Hispanics - because Hispanics are nearly as poor as Blacks, and because rape is clearly a method to getting wealthier.
     
  12. CKW

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    Actually...you are full of (*)(*)(*)(*). I think you just want to believe this stuff. Why do you think schools from Preschool to 4th grade focus so much communication to parents to read to their kids and to encourage reading? Because children who are read too....actually do better because it raises IQ. What you do with a baby...will raise IQ. Its not new stuff.

    If you feel good believing that you are smarter then the black man---then I say let you think it. You are a speck to be flicked away.
     
  13. rayznack

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    Yes; I hear feeding your children will also allow them to grow. I guess that means feeding them plenty of protein will mean all children will attain the same height; genes have nothing to do with it.

    Btw, feel free backing up any of your garbage. I'll be munching popcorn for this comedy show.
     
  14. CKW

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    You aren't worth the trouble. If you can't admit that environment and activities during childhood and as a baby have affect on IQ---which is well known....then you simply want to believe what makes you feel good regardless of any documention or theories..
     
  15. After Hours

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    That's what's hilarious.

    This was a thread created specifically trying to say "conservatives aren't racist, liberals are the REAL racists", only then to have a social conservative white nationalist come in and spout all sorts of racist bile.
     
  16. Junkieturtle

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    CKW, considering that a vast majority of modern American Christians pick and choose freely from the bible, using the defense that they are Christians and "wouldn't do that" is just not going to work. Christianity itself was used to justify slavery, war, torture, and murder in the past, and continues to be used today to justify prejudices against gay people.

    So, yes, they very much would do that because being Christian is basically meaningless when it comes to predicting behavior.
     
  17. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    According to the APA IQ tests do not measure all forms of human intelligence (and in fact no tests do) so we cannot compare human intelligence based upon IQ tests, period.

    http://www.apa.org/topics/intelligence/index.aspx

    http://www.apa.org/research/action/smarter.aspx

    You can certainly compare IQ tests between individuals of the same age and identical backgrounds but you can never claim that they measure "human intelligence" between demographic groups. IQ tests measure a very limited aspect of intelligence and the test scores are greatly affected by social factors.

    By analogy the racist is comparing cars based upon tire pressure when they refer to the IQ test score differences.
     
  18. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Incapable of addressing the fact that 8 out of 10 Republicans in a 2012 study expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice?

    Repeating irrelevant statistics used to promote racism is not a rebuttal to the extensive anti-black racial prejudice by Republicans.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Now you apparently claim to be an expert on criminal motives? Interesting because I don't see any citations or references to crime motives being presented. More propagation of racial stereotyping to promote racial prejudice but nothing addressing the motivation behind criminal acts.

    I'm quite sure your posts would be very welcome at Stormfront.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    At one time I had a link to the actual questions being asked but I lost it (computer crash) but they really are irrelevant. In a well designed study the majority of the questions are used to disguise the purpose of the test and only a few of the questions are actually related to what's being tested for. If a person knows what the test is measuring it effects their responses.

    Of course it's fine to be skeptical of any study but remember the 2012 study does not stand alone. It was a follow-up to the 2008 study so we have two studies that mutually confirm the results of the other. In addition if any sociologists questioned the results then they would have developed another study to also measure the explicit anti-black racial prejudice and they've had plenty of time to do so. It's been six years and no other contradictory study has been presented to dispute the results and the absence of any contradictory evidence serves as a confirmation of multiple studies.

    But let's not focus on the very high percentage of explicit anti-black racial prejudice by Republicans and instead let's address the high percentage of explicit anti-black racial prejudice among Democrats where 32% expressed this prejudice. This is a huge problem for the Democratic Party to address as almost 1 in 3 Democrats express anti-black racial prejudice. It is something that the Democrats need to seriously address within their own political party because this is something that can only be addressed within the political ideology itself.

    Even I see a problem with my own political ideological group as I see explicit anti-black racial prejudice expressed by many self-professed libertarians and, while the studies didn't put a number on it, I'd bet that over 50% of libertarians also express explicit anti-black racial prejudice.

    Regardless of the actual level of anti-black racial prejudice it is way too high in all political ideological groups and it must be addressed by each group independently as no group is going to listen to another group on the issue of racial prejudice.

    Democrats need to address anti-black racial prejudice within the Democratic ideology.

    Libertarians need to address anti-black racial prejudice within the Libertarian ideology.

    Republicans need to address anti-black racial prejudice within the Republican ideology.

    Independents need to address anti-black racial prejudice within the Independent ideology.

    This is what's NOT happening in America today and that is where the real problem lies.
     
  21. longknife

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    Your "undisputed studies" are nothing more than polling that is often skewed to get predictable results. If you base your beliefs on such "studies", you have a serious problem.

    Do YOU personally know any Republicans who are racist? How many. What are the actions they take to back up their beliefs?

    The vast majority of conservatives I know are not in the least bit racist! Me? My bias is against those of any race who believe they have a right to welfare and won't get a job to get off it.
     
  22. mikemikev

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    Everybody needs to address pro-Black pro-Jewish racial prejudice in the media and the excuses and cover ups for their disgusting tribal tantrums.
     
  23. rayznack

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    So you're disputing Black and Hispanic socio-economic levels are roughly the same though Blacks have higher rape rates than Hispanics?

    Or that Blacks have far higher rape rates than Whites even though rape is not a crime that alleviates poverty?

    You can address the first question. I'm eager to read your logic.
     
  24. rayznack

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    Well, the proof is in the pudding.

    Why don't you address inter-racial crime to begin with? Or that Whites may have negative feelings toward Blacks due to disproportionate Black-on-White crime?
     
  25. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    You're shoe horning two claims into one. I've never disputed your red-herring that IQ tests are not all-encompassing; in fact, I acknowledge as such, and explain why it doesn't matter. You then make your own opinion before citing an article quoting a person associated with the APA to make it look like *both* your claims are supported by the APA.

    That's dishonest.

    Unfortunately, your article does not say you cannot compare IQ between demographic groups. That you inserted 'human intelligence', I presume, is just part of your straw-man.
     

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