Conservatives and Racism

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by longknife, Aug 30, 2014.

  1. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    I guess you're not one to understand analogy.

    How you imagine I dispute, rather than qualify, your claim is beyond me.

    What part of the above analogy don't you understand, exactly?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Only ignorant racists have negative feelings towards blacks due to the disproportionate black-on-white cirme statistics.

    Intelligent people understand that the disproportionate statistics are a result of racial prejudice and oppression that affects far more than just the economic oppression of blacks in America.

    Why would I want to discuss the topic of racial prejudice with a racist is a more important question that I should be asking myself.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    A historically inaccurate statement. Hispanics were never subjected to slavery or legal segregation in America nor has the level of oppression of Hispanics come even close to what blacks in America have faced. The social structure of the Hispanic community is completely different than the social structure of the black community. There are similarities of course but the differences are far greater than the similarities between Hispanics and blacks (except in the minds of racists of course).
     
  4. mikemikev

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    You poison the well by describing your opponents as "ignorant racists" and those who agree with you as "Intelligent people". If you were correct your points would speak for themselves and you would not have to resort to name calling. Needless to say you are not correct and you are apologising for blacks raping and murdering Whites, in fact blaming it on Whites.
     
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    I am confused...are you saying social conservatives have the bible market cornered? This garbage you just wrote epitomizes racism and what is so sad, is you don't even know it,
    Is your wife subservient to you? The bible says she should. And I imagine you condemn those who shop on the sabbath..they should be stoned
     
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    Where is s/he apologizing for blacks raping and murdering whites? I guess using your logic, I can assume it is ok for whites to kill blacks
     
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    On another thread, you said you found most black women repulsive and if given a choice of even a beautiful black woman or an ugly white woman to live on a deserted island with, you'd choose the ugly white woman.....

    naturally, you don't feel you're a "racist", right?
     
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    Well, if this forum is any indication, it's more like 9.7 out of 10.
     
  9. rayznack

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    How would you go about proving the rape-rate ratio between Whites and Blacks is a direct result of discrimination or poverty?

    That's especially interesting because I'd imagine Blacks disproportionately rape Hispanics and Asians.

    Perhaps those immigrant Chinese students really kept Blacks oppressed?
     
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    What difference does it make? Their socio-economic levels are nearly identical. Why would Blacks being slaves 175 years ago make them more likely to rape?

    Care to provide a shred of evidence that ancestors of people once slaves are more likely to commit rape?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    IQ tests do not measure all forms of human intelligence so of course it matters when a racist claims that blacks are less intelligent because the IQ tests don't measure all forms of intelligence. They are very targeted and specific in what they measure and are not a reflection of general intelligence.

    Other articles on IQ test do establish the caveat that comparisons can only be made based upon similiar demographics.

    Human intelligence reflects the overall intelligence of the person while IQ tests only measure a small and very targeted component of it. If we're addressing "who's smarter" then it relates to human intelligence and not IQ test scores.
     
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    Why don't you provide evidence that over 200 years of oppression wouldn't make a person more likely to commit a criminal act?

    In a general sense I find discussions with racists to be like talking evolutionary science with a creationist. Their opinions are so bigoted that the facts simply don't matter.
     
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    It's very well established that racism is based upon ignorance so making the statement "ignorant racist" is merely expressing a fact. Sorry if the truth offends others but it's still the truth.
     
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    I am certain that 200 years worth of pretty much anything would make me a bit cranky but so far as I know -- where science is concerned anyway -- no human has ever lived much past 100 and even then would be unable to fling a clerk across a room after stealing a box of cigars and then go pound on a police officer. Pesky thing facts.
     
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    LoL, perfect example of the OP's failure. Conservatives rather play semantics and word games, rather than address the blatant racism in the thread. Color me shocked.

    Unless they talk about whites, then the gloves come off and a full-court press is initiated. Actions speak louder than words, and all that mumble jumble.....
     
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    This is utterly false and "multiple intelligences" is not supported in psychology, The extremely imporatant g or general intelligence is however, and IQ measures it well. Find a low IQ professor or innovator then come tell us IQ is not important. We won't be holding out breath,

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    No it isn't "very well established" it's just a meme made up by the Communists and promoted by Hollywood. "Racism" or saying anything about race is perfectly reasonable,
     
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    "Only ignorant racists have negative feelings towards blacks due to the disproportionate black-on-white cirme statistics.

    Intelligent people understand that the disproportionate statistics are a result of racial prejudice and oppression that affects far more than just the economic oppression of blacks in America."

    So "intelligent people" understand that "White racism" is the cause of blacks raping and murdering Whites. You can't make this (*)(*)(*)(*) up. The sad thing is how many swallow it.
     
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    Blacks are disproportionately poor because of White racism. Crime including crimes of a violent nature are correlated with poverty. Poor people tend to be under a lot of stress and resort to drug abuse and physical abuse of their children. Violent criminals are often raised in a very bad environment and act out when they get in to the real world. So while racism is not the direct cause of an individual's behavior it is definitely a factor in crime statistics.
     
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    Why are East Asians rich? Why would "White racists" make Blacks poor and Jews and Asians rich?
     
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    Why do African nations have worse rates of crime and failure? Is that because of "White racism" too? Are you just making excuses for scum because you hate White people? Is "Arab racism" a problem at all?
     
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    When you say the facts don't matter, are you talking about the racial brain volume differences, race adoption studies, or various cognitive tests you ignore?

    I can't prove a negative, and I certainly can't find a single person over the age of 200 years.

    Feel free finding any West-African group anywhere in the world with an IQ over 95.

    Try to keep in mind not all West-African Blacks were enslaved, experienced oppression, or experienced slavery and oppression in equal amounts as Black-Americans.

    Try Haiti, Canada, Latin America, UK or West Africa.
     
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    Red-herring. Not all forms of athleticism can or need to be measured to gauge useful forms of athleticism.

    Btw, excellent self-ownage. You fully acknowledge intelligence differences exist for areas of cognitive ability that are measured/measurable.

    That proves cognitive differences regardless of any sum total.

    So, in other words, you were dishonest juxtaposing two claims into one and claiming the APA is in agreement with you.

    Feel free showing this article that claims to demonstrate the small range in intelligence an IQ test measures.

    I suppose it's next to the article that Black and White 3-year olds have the same IQ.

    Remember trumpeting that claim?

    Remember when I showed the exact opposite?

    Remember when your criticism of IQ tests was mysteriously absent from that one post?
     
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    Are they?

    http://www.asian-nation.org/model-minority.shtml


    Jews and Asians haven't experienced the same level of institutional racism that Blacks have. There were alot of laws in place (Jim Crow and Segregation) to systematically hold Blacks down as a permanent underclass. Since the Civil Rights Movement the Black Middle Class has risen considerably proving that racism was to blame for Blacks having lower Socio-Economic Status.

    A lot of African and majority Black countries actually have medium to low crime rates. The idea that Majority Black Countries = High Crime Rates is a myth.

    As for "failure" or rather poverty European colonialism is to blame for a lot of dysfunction in African governments.

    Are you calling all Black people scum? I don't hate any race but you clearly do.

    All racism is bad. Arab racism hasn't been as detrimental as White racism on a global scale. Islamic radicalism is certainly a problem in the world.

    We've been over this. Rushton's research is garbage.

    For instance his claim that variation in human intelligence is linked to variation in brain size has been debunked.

    How “Caucasoids” Got Such Big Crania and Why They Shrank: From Morton to Rushton Current Anthropology Volume 42, Number 1, February 2001

    Many IQ studies also debunk Rushton's claims of a genetic basis to racial differences in IQ.

    HEREDITY, ENVIRONMENT, AND RACE DIFFERENCES IN IQ A Commentary on Rushton and Jensen (2005) Psychology, Public Policy, and Law 2005, Vol. 11, No. 2, 302–310

     
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    The joke is the one you lib dems have perpetrated on minorities. It was ALWAYS the republicans that were inclusive and you democrats didn't catch up until 1970s when you realized that again your deceitful stronghold on them was weakening. Then you started the government giveaways. This picture is just one of many that your followers can't wipe out of the history books. But than again it's it's still rainbows and unicorns in your party's Houdini bag of tricks.anything for that vote.
     
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    Where is your evidence that historical institutional racism causes persistent IQ differences? It sounds like a standard lame Marxist excuse to me. Exactly how does it work? Does calling someone "boy" lower their IQ by 0.5 points or something?

    So let's look at Zimbabwe. Blacks run it - failed. Whites take over and manage farms - successful. Blacks take over again - fails.
    I'm not really seeing this "blame Whitey" angle here. Can you go into more detail of specifically how a history of colonialism causes Black run countries to be dysfuntional? Didn't Whites introduce books and technology and a legal system?

    No.

    You hate White people. They are always to blame for you.

    You just assert this because you hate White people. Arabs traded and castrated 10 times more Negroes. They did the same to Whites. Do Whites whine about it literally all the time?
     

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