Conservatives. What SHOULD health care in America look like?

Getting older doesn't mean you've lived a fuller life.

Odds are that I've done everything already now the rest is just repetition.

 

It doesn't work for any of those. There are tremendous rules and regulations that have to be followed to sell anything in this country. You are not free to sell any old plane you want. You can't sell shoes with asbestos insulation, etc.

Your earlier claim was the free market is going to provide us with fabulously cheap health care, as if the health care industry is anything like the food industry. When you buy a loaf of bread, the transaction is simple. When you buy health coverage, pre-Obamacare, the insurance company would crawl up your ass looking for any tiny thing to increase your premiums and deny your claims. Thank God the government finally put a stop to that.

Did you ever shop for health insurance before 2008?

There's a quote I love that applies to some people here:
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

 

I've already stated we agree with keeping the pre-existing coverage part.

And why didn't he have insurance before his heart attack in the first place?

Before he got sick?

 

You haven't raised a kid or celebrated a tenth anniversary or dealt with a major health crisis (that's not fun). You're still young enough to be on your parents' insurance!

 

What if I never had a kid does that mean I've never lived a full life?

 

He did. The heart attack exceeded the lifetime limit on the policy (which can't happen anymore, thank God).

 

My responses have all been geared towards the current state of coverage, not what has happened in the past.

 

I was giving examples. Personally, I don't think people who haven't had kids can even comprehend what the experience is like. My life is clearly divided: before I had a kid/after I had a kid. I think the experience is enriching.

But no, you don't need to have kids to have lived a full life. But the claim that you've lived a "full life" at 23 is absurd ipso facto. I'm 45 and I wouldn't come close to claiming it, although I can clearly see I'm on the downward slope of things. THAT realization was not fun, either.

 

I never claimed I lived a full life though.

I said I may have already done everything I'm going to do.

 

"Rejoice, O young man, in your youth, and let your heart cheer you in the days of your youth"

 

1. Deport all of the illegal aliens - health costs will go down far enough that the Health Care industry will go through a renaissance and the Democrats will have to eat more crow -

 

You were testing me?

What you really mean is, you finally decided to Google! Let me guess, you also have a girlfriend who is super hot, but she's in Canada and I'll never meet her. Look, I'm not trying to insult you, and frankly I don't think I did, but you don't really seem to be up to discussing actual policy issues. No offense.

And my guess is you are no longer interested in discussing policy alternatives for our current health care system?

 

Not hardly. Infant mortality is less than 1/4 of what it was in

Infant mortality rate in 1960 was 26 deaths per 1000 live births. In 2010 it was 6.1 deaths per 1000 live births. In 2017 (latest available) it was 5.8 per 1000 live births.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/mortality/infant-mortality-rates-1950-2010

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/infantmortality.htm

 

We should get the general government out of the health car business and let each of the sovereign states in the union answer your questions for themselves.

 

I do not equate the extreme high cost of health care to infant mortality. Do you believe doctors in 1965 were out to harm babies? Doctors who perform abortions today are clearly out to harm babies.

 

A huge and unneeded thing done by the Feds is to meddle in health care.

 

When the several sovereign states established their union, they never gave the general government any powers over health care.

 

When I think of Federal assistance. I recall my days in the Army.

Food supplied to us all.

Well a good many of the Army troops did not appreciate the stuff the Army called food.
Sure a few did wolf down the chow. but they would eat the leather off an used football shoe.

What did the army call toast with gravy and ground meat for breakfast? By the less than amusing name of ShiY on the shingle. Feces to you all.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=**** on a Shingle

 

I agree my friend.

 

OK, what about with an 80 year old man?

 

No I would not do an 80 yr. old man, that is not on my bucket list.

 

So you can't buy bread, shoes, cars, houses, airplanes, eye surgery and a host of other goods on the free* market? Despite the myriad rules and regulations regarding food, you can get a hundred varieties of bread or just about any other kind of food in any local supermarket. Citing government interference in markets isn't a good argument against the free market delivery of products and services. It is a good argument against government interference in markets.

In a free market the differences between good and services is irrelevant. What inherent difference in the two markets would make it more difficult to buy an artificial heart than it would be to buy a loaf of bread, aside from the cost? If you're talking about the tremendous rules and regulations that have to be followed to buy or sell goods, you're making my point for me. The rules and regulations imposed by government are what make markets less free. As for insurance companies, they've been co-conspirators with government since long before Obamacare was passed. If the insurance company was crawling up your ass it was because government allowed it.

I did, and found a pretty good HSA policy that was reasonably priced and had all the coverage I wanted. I doubt its available now but I'm on my company's insurance, which is pretty good but exorbitantly expensive.

 

Hey, you have not seen my latest photo. But I am on the same page as you are. I thought you might be talking of that.

 

Oh come on, Spooky.

 

Wait, you said you have not done an 80 year old man. What is this about repetition again?

I admit the run of the mill old man is not a bit appealing. I am not run of the mill.

True story about Jan. She was so hot. She was I thought about 25 and I was then maybe 40. We chatted on the phone at that time (around 197 and I commented to her that was she mature enough for me? She assured me she was.

Later at dinner, she started to confess. She said, she was not quite 21. Her actual words. She says to me she wants to have my baby. This caught me by surprise. Man she was hot. Ultra hot in fact.

Later having drinks, she says she was not quite 19. i was getting concerned. Jan had a way to appear older but not so much in looks I think but by attitude. She was not raised with siblings. She acted very adult.

Anyway it ended. She had her day in the sun.