if I was that boy's father, FIRST we'd vanish, and THEN, boys, I'm coming to YOUR house, one by one. it might take me a decade, but you won't be burning any other kids.
I'm not saying they're a good thing I'm just trying to bring attention to why they became a thing at all. People don't hear about police being injured/killed that often, because the media doesn't make much fanfare about it, but it happens ALL the time.
Do they ever do any wrong in your eyes? A mistake is unintentional departure from right and many of these cases they didn't just happen to accidentally shoot someone it was willful. In the case of Ms Catherine Johnson was that a mistake or did they murder her and try to cover it up.
Yeah buddy, forum leftists making up that they have gone too far is the issue. I have no fear of the Police at all and neither does the average citizen. In this case it was an accident. In the case of Ferguson, it was a case of a thug making the wrong choices which led directly to his death. Of course the left has to make these things an issue in order direct attention away from the failed Obama administration. Isnt going to work but then again what else can you guys possibly do other than waft the flames of racism and police brutality. Please keep that up by that way until 2016 at least.
Yeah um A) Im not distraught B) Im not a hypocrite C) I don't take advice from fiction books. D) You hate the police yet will call them in order to get you car back.
Yes, in fact that's best especially if they have made a mistake and are serving a warrant on the wrong house.
The police presence in this country is being turned into a military with a clearly defined enemy, anyone who questions the establishment. And you are 29 times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a terrorist! It worries me a lot.
Know what actually works, doing police work. Raiding a home is not police work, it is not policing. Raiding the wrong home clearly demonstrates that they are not policing at all. You would think at the barest minimum of minimum any police department would verify an active address. On top of the fact that they had zero clue what they were actually walking into. You are correct that there are crazy criminals out there, so thanks to the fact that they had zero intelligence on who or what was inside the house they put themselves in far more danger. Perhaps the sad reality is that this is more of a boys club good time thing to conduct these types of raids.
That's because the cops do an excellent job keeping terrorists out, and there are too many idiots who try and kill police officers and get killed.
Lets see, ~10-15 men decked out in SWAT gear breaking down a door at 4am in the morning VS one plain clothed officer surveying the home during the day time and accessing who lives in the home. Maybe even use google. . . If they don't enjoy it they sure as hell aren't doing much to keep themselves out of mortal danger. Again, it is blatantly obvious they had no intelligence on who or what was inside the home. That is just plain stupid and reckless. Working smarter means more safety for the officers and the people. Then we won't be having two years old catching shrapnel while they sleep.
No knock warrants are given out too easily . They should be reserved for only the most dangerous, like terrorists. Most times they are used in drug cases. In fact, the war on drugs is what made them legal, I think. This sort of thing happens more than one would think. A young family at my church suffered the same thing, and the kids were terrorized in the process, perhaps scarring them for a long time psychologically. I cannot tell the difference between our cops and the Nazi SS or Gestapo. And when that is the case, our constitution is not worth the paper its written on. Anyone who would continue to support these actions are not American, but something like you see in third world countries, barbarians with an education. We have lost the ability to draw sensible lines, which is an affliction seen particularly with the right wingnuts. Not conservatives, but sociopathic far right wingnuts. A genuine conservative, would never endorse SS tactics. I don't think we have conservatives really. Law and order is not to be confused with how an authoritarian police state operates.
As I said you apparently watch too many movies. Perhaps you should go there and show them how to do a better job. Bring an iPad and show them your Google idea!
Or I have this inkling of common sense that when you raid the wrong home, come up empty handed, and severely injure a two year old child the procedure was a complete and total reckless failure which put everyone involved in danger. That is on top this being a complete horrific and unjust ordeal for the residents. See this is the point where the police department is supposed to make changes so things like this don't happen. There is no way in hell that something like this is not avoidable. It is not me who needs to do a better job.
Wanna bet? When I bought my first house, someone inverted a 6 to a 9 in the town records. I had the house for twenty years and on the day I sold it the town was still unable to correct the address despite me showing them their own paperwork on the house since it was built. If I wanted my mail I had to use a 9 if I called the fire dept I had to remember to tell them to come to 6 and not 9 or they would not be able to find the house as was the case once. I tried for twenty years with the town until finally they told me to simply transfer it to the new owners with an address discrepancy and let them handle it. 20 years and that is no joke. Humans are imperfect and always will be.
Wow. This isn't a left/right issue, this is law enforcement not being held accountable when they do wrong. This should not be a political issue at all. Everyone should want to see our "protectors" held accountable when they kill little girls, shoot peoples dogs, and raid the wrong houses. We shouldn't just say "oh well it was a mistake, (*)(*)(*)(*) the people who the cops murdered". I don't know what is wrong with you right wingers but man you all have lost it on some strange anti-democrat binge. I don't think I've seen a unique thought yet, it's just "well the left believe X so I'm against it!". (*)(*)(*)(*)'n screwballs man.
Sigh......its not political you say eh? You leftists just all know the cop is always guilty and its never EVER the criminals fault. Here lets get your official stance on Wilson. Guilty or innocent?
I'm a libertarian, and Wilson I don't know. From the evidence I've seen, with dude being shot from the front, sounds innocent. I wouldn't say that the cops are always guilty, but as our protectors they need to be held to a high standard, and they sure as hell need to stop treating the US as a war zone where civilians are the enemy. There are two big issues I see; the laws are written in a way which can cause quick escalation over nothing and the police are trained to escalate situations for no reason. In Iraq if a guy threw a rock at you, you were only authorized to use force up to throwing a rock back. If you throw a rock at a cop here they'll kill you. That's the kind of stuff that needs to change.
To further my reply this is a more complex subject than it is often made out to be. Lack of accountability is a symptom of a system that is set up to treat us as criminals rather than citizens. Accountability would be a good first step towards correcting this, along with uniform cameras, but the system itself and police training must follow as well. We should never see a situation where a man is killed by police for evading a 2 dollar bus fair, or a mother and her children are shot at for driving away after receiving a citation, or a man killed by police for selling cigarettes that don't have a state tax stamp. I would think reasonable people can agree to this.
You can kill a person with one rock. When I was a kid someone threw a small rock at another kid and hit him in the head and killed him. If you throw a rock at a police officer (a person who also understands that a rock is lethal) then natural selection will take place and you will be removed from the gene pool. Ive never had an issue with a police officer, then again I don't throw rocks at them or try and grab their guns after robbing a convenient store.
All these things are already take care of. ALLLLL people have to do is obey the law. You posted a lot of examples and not once did you blame the people themselves. Also, the man who got killed for selling cigarettes although tragic was brought on by his own refusal to obey the law. If you don't want cops doing these things then don't give them a reason to be put in these situations in the first place.
That is absolutely absurd. Yes it is possible to kill with a rock, however any reasonable person isn't going to see that as an excuse for lethal force. Police have other means of dealing with the situation, and as far as I'm concerned if I could deal with not shooting people in a warzone if they threw a rock at me with less training and no less than lethal options then the cops can sure a (*)(*)(*)(*) deal with it here in America. Also, being that only 3 police officers have been killed by rocks according to records, it's clearly not a threat worth killing over. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/06/getting_stoned.html
So you still cant bring yourself to blame the rock thrower. If you throw a rock at a police officer are you more or less likely to be shot by them? If someone pulls a knife on your child do you want the cops to use lethal force to stop him or would you prefer they also pull out knives and handle sticks with sticks and stones with stones?
Correct, I don't blamw the people who committed non violent offences for being killed by the police. They are the victims here. Can you not see that? Is a 2 dollar bus fair so important to collect that it's worth killing a man over? Is a signature on a speeding ticket so important that it's worth shooting into a van full of children to stop a mother who is frightened for her life? Was it necessary to put a man in a choke hold over cigarette taxes? Can you not agree that excessive violence against non-violent offenders is unnecessary?
