Corona Virus Update

Sorry, where is the lie? I see the important statement ".....“persisted with hardly any waning for 6 months after the second dose,......”"

 

That's not the lie- it exposes the lies that claimed the vaccine prevented infection. that's only been the claim since day one, and the reason firing people who don't comply... at least the pretend reason.

Whenever someone starts out defending the ludicrous, I know it's a waste of time to reply, but out of courtesy...

 

Considering that no one ever said that the vaccine has 100% effacy clearly shows your claim is incorrect. Also the 90% effacy claim was the result of tests on the variant at the time of the test so once again, not a lie

 

Oh know You can still catch Covid after being vaccinated, who'd have thought.

Its like vaccines aren't a force field at all, but instead help your body to recognise the virus and fight it when you catch it.

Shocking

 

No one EVER said a vaccine (ANY VACCINE) prevented infection, its not how they work. How could anybody not know that.

 

That's the pathology; vaccines cause neutralizing antibodies to be produced- same thing that contracting a disease does IF the disease doesn't kill you.
Except vaccines in general provide a life-long protection. Very few exceptions. THEY WORK.
Now it's clear the covid vaccines provide a deteriorating protection as well as a limited one. The first number was 95%, later declines were noted and they claimed 75%. Now 20%?
Will that be followed by 10, or zero? They don't know- but they are willing to make up something that will fly.

If that factor was known, honestly represented and you make an informed decision- fine. But they certainly didn't inform people honestly of wht they knew- and worse, failed to point out what they dudnb;'t and don't know. And still they want to force the decision on people.
And unlike all vaccines in the past- government is using law to threaten and force it.
Will they force you to re-vaccinate in a couple years?
Of course- if the same scuzz still has the power.
I doubt any good intent is involved here- I think the prize they are pursuing with this pressure. is control over the people, conditioning them to comply.
NOT the American way..

I have been vaccinated; don't feel a damn bit safer because I know three people who are that have contracted covid anyway- and one, in Canada, died.
Natural exposure provides an immunity 27 times stronger (as well as long-term durable) than the vaccine 30 days out.

I have two complaints over the handling of the vaccine. The first is failure to honestly disclose what they knew and didn't know. The people deserved that.
The second is the idea that they should have the power to force their decision on your and I. That I view as criminal.

 

Yes, we are given flu jabs every year just for fun.
Its well known (To most people anyway) that some vaccines last longer than others. Once they have established the life of the various Covid vaccines a booster program is set up.

This bit is just garbage. How often you will need booster jabs does not effect your decision on whether to take the vaccine. Your reason for taking the vaccine is so as not to catch Covid and die now.

 

If a person believes that, it's their choice and I have no right to tell you you can't- or that you must..
For millions right now, the reason to get vaccinated is to not lose your job. That is not only patently offensive, it's unconstitutional.

When the representation is full of BS and the government insists of forcing you to take the BS, there is a much, much larger problem.
Obviously, my being vaccinated does not prevent me from being infected, nor you- and while it may reduce fatality for me... My shots don't do crap for you, thus they do NOT protect the public health, and the government is NOT protecting your health by forcing others to take the vaccine. They are of course- using that for an excuse to grab unprecedented and unconstitutional power- and squelch protest.
The communists and dictatorships of the world have all done that. I understand, you hadn't noticed... that, or perhaps you don't care.

The people behind Biden and who support it, strike me as the poorest excuses for human beings I've ever seen, short of mass murderers and serial child molesters.
Willful violations of the constitution apparently don't bother you either- but they should. You're in the same boat as everybody else, and will go down the same way.

When you're buying the hogwash from Fauci and company, think about this. Nobody's perfect, so they have no right to force you to live by their decisions.
The leading cause of death in the USA is heart disease. The second on the list is cancer. The third.... is MEDICAL MISTAKES.
Multiple confirmations of that are available. Johns Hopkins University, of of the nations prestige medical research institutions and many others confirm it.

The Covid pandemic IS the result of a medical mistake. It appears to have been created by Gain-of-function research at the Wuhan facility, and funded in part by groups Fauci was administrating... and it was allowed to enter the public realm due to the lab it was in failing to maintain safety protocols. That would mean medical mistakes become the NUMBER ONE, the leading cause of death.
But you be sure and embrace that, do what they say without question..... Confirm what they think- that you are smart enough to ask the right questions anyway.

Honesty from government and freedom of choice over your own life decisions. That's what the people deserve- Nothing less.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-moderna-sweden-halts-use-in-under-30s/
Sweden halts use of Moderna's COVID vaccine in under 30s

And you all wonder why people are hesitant.

 

Not really.
It's a result of your programming.

 

Yes. Programming makes you follow like a trained goat and never ask why you are doing it.

 

Del

 

Ahh, new goal posts. Now your talking about personal freedoms.
Well anyone living in a society has to accept the needs of the society sometimes out weigh the needs of the individual.
You are not free to kill other people either by driving too fast or spreading a deadly disease.
If you want such freedoms then move away from society, its probably best for both parties.

 

Is there anything but BS over there? Dems have turned into hecklers that just aggravate others for the fun of it.

The vaccine has already proven it does not prevent your getting the disease- and therefore could not prevent someone getting it from you even if you are vaccinated.
WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

It's at best a means of reducing the risk of hospitalization or death for the vaccinated person- assuming they are seniors. More than half the deaths from covid are of people whose age is already beyond the average lifespan. The odds of dying from covid for a 35 year old person are one in 29,000- and only about . 7% of the risk of your dying at the same age from any other cause.

The government is, right now, killing the freedom, the spirit and the quality of life in this country. Maybe you should take notice of that- and stop supporting the people who are pushing it.
There is no credibility- because the BS has been the mainstream in the information released. Keeps changing. If you had a life threatening condition and your doctor couldn't make up his mind on what it was or how bad it was or if his cure would work- would you just blindly follow and pray he wasn't a quack, or would you get a second opinion?

I know. You'd buy the first option.

That is one of the many reasons we say people have no right to make decisions for you unless it clearly involves direct threat to others. It does not, and you can deny that- but it won't make you look smarter.

 

No vaccine prevents you getting the disease, it prevents you from getting very ill. Its how they work, they are NOT a forcefield, they trick your body into producing antibodies so that its prepared to act when you get the disease. I repeat for the heard of learning WHEN YOU GET THE DISEASE.
However because you get the disease so much more mildly if vaccinated it also significantly reduces the chance of you passing it on. Each time the disease does manage to skip to another vaccinated person the odds of passing it on are reduced again and again.

Incidentally its the same with process herd immunity.
When you understand this basic we can go on to discuss killing freedom.

 

The freedom killers.... appear to be your idols.

You're missing so much here. Like you were standing on your head watching Niagara falls, and insisting water flows uphill-
you are drawing conclusions that come from you own choice of position in disregard of the obvious.

The numbers DO NOT support your position. Common sense and logic do not support your position. You're thinking with all the clarity of Joe Biden...

Chance to learn something here-
An aspirin doesn't cure anything, does not block any infectious agent. It reduces pain and some condition of disease- but cures nothing. Thus it is NOT a vaccine.
IF a vaccine does not fully block a disease and then prevent your contracting it- but only reduces some elements of the behavior- it's matches the functionality of the aspirin, and it make no difference if was oral or injected. Vaccine causes the production of antibodies which make you IMMUNE. Immunity is the principle effect and purpose of a vaccine, it is what defines the term.

Vaccine
"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease."

To bring that to a simpler level-
THAT MEANS YOU WILL NOT GET THE DISEASE AFTER YOU ARE VACCINATED, despite being exposed.
If you still can- the vaccine has failed to meet the parameters to be considered a Vaccine..... it is more like a targeted aspirin.
You take one, it helps. Then you have to take another. And another. Go take one now. I sure this has given you a headache.

 

I notice that despite all your crapology you don't say I'm wrong, because I'm right and you were trying to mislead people.

Oh but they do. Hospitalisations and deaths have both fallen significantly in vaccinated countries.

An asprin is a pain killer, it does its job. There is nothing to say a vaccine has to be 100% effective or give 100% immunity the accepted boundary is 60% Indeed the new Malaria vaccine is only 30% effective but still considered advantageous.
You are talking nonsense while trying to sound educated.

By stopping you spreading a deadly disease. seriously, pop out and get yourself a life.

 

Let me be clear, since the obvious evades you- YOU ARE WRONG.
The numbers PROVE you are wrong.
The largest number of death, by far, occur in the senior age group- 75 and up, about 200 times + that of people in their 20's.
The highest percentage of vaccinated people, by far, is the senior age group which comes in at over 80% vaccinated, about double what the 40 and under rates are.
WHY aren't higher vaccination rates a parallel to the death rates? Because the vaccine IS NOT stopping the deadly disease- at best, it mitigates some of the severity.
I am old. I am vaccinated. I don't feel a damn bit safer, if part because I personally know vaccinated people who have contracted the disease. One of those, a man older than me but extremely active and healthy, and vaccinated- died from it. How much should we trust something with such a flaky performance record? Should we all take it in order to ease the fears of people like you? You obviously think so.
You ARE wrong.

Specifically in equating the covid vaccine to the vaccines of normal medicine and established performance of what the public perceives vaccines to be- WRONG.
That means making false representations, false promises. LIES. We are seeing them everyday.

The vaccine for covid does what it does- and that is not a parallel or equivalent to the vaccine for polio or typhoid or deadly diseases of the past. This is what people know a vaccine does- and the covid vaccine does not do that. Not even close, either in function or durability. It's clear that it is a patch that has some benefits, but it is far distant from a cure or reliable preventative.
Implying that is is- is an outright lie. Forcing people to take it under the pretense that it will provide highly effective protection for them or those around them is an outright lie, and a MORALLY CRIMINAL ACT.

Honesty matters, at least to most people. Trust and confidence matter- and you destroy that when you misrepresent, LIE about something so important- and then have the gall to attempt to force it on everyone because of what you believe.. IN DIRECT DISREGARD OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE. I don't have and do not attempt to take that power over you or any man- it's fundamentally, morally wrong to do so. You are not bothered by such ethical standards, nor is the Biden administration- and it is exactly what is happening, and getting worse.
The effects of that kind of policy set precedents, they change the parameters of all perceptions of justice in the country and will have very negative influence on our future, far beyond your lifetime.

You are entitled to believe what ever you want, and do whatever you want about this situation as it applies to you. But what YOU believe does not, right or wrong, provide the right to take that same right of choice and self-determination away from any other human being because you think they are wrong. That is something so fundamental to the basics of justice that nothing negates it- and you don't need above average intelligence to understand that. YOU do not have that right. The Government does not have that right.

Life has risks. Only a fool seeks to shield themselves against one perceived risk by taking another greater risk.

 

What an appalling misuse of statistics. And you could do even better by claiming it kills even more old people than it does penguins.
Covid is a disease which primarily effects the aged so comparing young unvaccinated people with old vaccinated people is just a conjuring trick. .
What you need to compare is ,like with like.
Old people who have been vaccinated against Old people who haven't been vaccinated.
Equally you could do the same comparing young people with young people.
The rest of your post is based on this falsehood so I wont address it.

As an aside the vaccine (like all vaccines) triggers your own immune system. If your own immune system in not functioning either through illness or extreme age then the vaccine can't help you. That is why its not stopping the very old from dying, but is protecting the not quite so old.

 

There you are again- as relevant to reality as a mouse-fart in a hurricane. If you could follow reason and logic- something beside what you need to feel righteous- you would drop this.
GIVE OTHERS THE PRIVILEGE TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES... OR THEY WILL HAVE RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT CAN BE FORCED ON YOU. ANY DECISIONS.

 

There you go again, quietly dumping your ridiculous claim and moving into the vague area of personal freedom.

If you want to discuss that then start a thread on it and don't hijack one on Covid. That way you wont have to make stuff up about the vaccine to bolster your point.

 

I fully understand that the personal freedom of OTHER Americans doesn't mean squat to you. YOUR problem tigger.

 

Do you. jolly good. And I fully understand that you made some crap up in the hope that people might believe you and think you have a justification for your views.

 

Texas Gov. Abbott issues order banning Covid vaccination mandates in rebuke of Biden

"Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order on Monday prohibiting any entity, including private businesses, from imposing Covid vaccination requirements in what appeared to be a direct challenge to President Joe Biden's sweeping vaccination mandate."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru


When polarization and politics are more important than a populations health..........there's a problem.

 

But vaccine does not really help.
50% of vaccinated people are spreading virus the same way as unvaccinated.

If concern is people's health then we need
mandate not to eat food excessively and eat only quality food (No junk)
exercise mandate.
mandate not to pollute
etc
etc.
there are numerous mandate that can improve population health.
why is it necessary to mandate something that is very questionable.

Some mandate might not be suitable for some people, but I guess ok for you.
even if you suffer from mandate.