Could alternative method of combatting climate change unite right and left???

I am hopeful that focusing a significant percentage of investment in turning deserts green to protect coastal communities from the threat of rising ocean has the potential to somewhat unite the political left with the right???!!!

https://www.facebook.com/events/567999123212788/?ref=22

Fort McMurray Meet and Greet with Martha.


http://www.earthtimes.org/climate/west-antarctic-ice-shelf-nudge-push-collapse/1977/

West Antarctic ice shelf - a nudge and a push from collapse?

 

I don't lightly post a message to the Facebook Page of my M. P. Peter Mackay, but I did last week suggesting that he debate climate change with Ms. Martha Hall Findlay before April 7!

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Findlay is certainly an Irish name isn't it???!!!!

Mr. Mackay, I voted for you again in 2011 although I am a member of Canada's Liberal Party. Here is a message that I just posted on the wall of Ms. Martha Hall Findlay:

........ "Martha, I would absolutely LOVE to see you organize a TV debate on this alternative method of tackling climate change with my M. P. Mr. Peter Mackay!

Although I have been a member of the Liberal party since 2009 I voted for Mr. Mackay in 2011 for many reasons. One of them is because I was at a meeting at the Indian Harbour Lake Community Centre in 2008 in which I heard him attempt to make us more aware of how the melting that was occurring up north was astonishing! He stated that he had just gotten back from the Arctic and the soldiers were out playing soccer in shorts in September which is highly unusual for that month. M. P. Peter Mackay is a member of the Conservative Party who is attempting to the best of his ability to get Conservatives to take the issue of climate change seriously!

In a sense, Mr. Peter Mackay is more Liberal than myself on a number of issues. By organizing open TV debates with him....we could make it look like we are attempting to set him up to perhaps walk across the floor perhaps in 2016 if Canadians decide in the next federal election to elect a Liberal as Prime Minister???!!! This would offend a few people but most of us would love the idea of finding somebody in the conservative movement that we can have intelligent discussions with on subjects such as this!!!"

......Oh, Mr. Mackay, I would also like to mention that your interview with George Stroumbouloupoulos was some of the most well done reverse psychology that I have ever seen in my life!!!!!! There is obviously more than a little Irish in you as well Sir!!!!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/photo-albums/guests/george-with-the-honorable-peter-mackay.html
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Martha Visits Antigonish, NS
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This fits perfectly into my schedule so I hope to see you there! Thank you immensely for visiting our town.

Here is a summary of the number one issue that concerns me:
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Proposal for the creation of a Nunavut Dollar....to address threat of rising ocean levels

In my opinion it is going to cost trillions of dollars to do what needs to be done to protect towns like Truro, and Antigonish, Nova Scotia from the consequences of the cracking and sliding of a large part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the land based Greenland Ice Pack into the ocean.

The 143,000 acres of productive farmland along the Bay of Fundy that was reclaimed from the ocean by the use of dykes is even more vulnerable because the Fundy seems to have a funnelling effect on tidal water. In my part of Guysborough County, N. S. the difference between low tide and high tide can be as little as one meter. Along parts of the Fundy, the difference can be fifteen meters or more!

The province of Alberta attempted to create its own provincial currency unit during The Great Depression but enormous pressure was exerted to ensure that their experiment in monetary policy was unsuccessful.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Social_Credit_Party

The province of Quebec seems to be in much better position to create its own provincial currency unit without facing the massive backlash from the financial community and federal government that Alberta experienced. The Territory of Nunavut may be in an even better position to take action than the Province of Quebec or Nova Scotia??!!

Dr. James Hansen has stated that the last time that global temperatures rose by three degrees ocean levels rose by 25 meters over four centuries. Canada and the world are NOT yet prepared for ocean rise of one meter every twenty years.

Somewhere between thirty million to one hundred million people in Bangladesh alone will become climate change refugees in the event of merely a one meter rise in ocean levels!

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I personally am one of those Blue Liberals who has doubts about the effectiveness of a carbon tax, especially over the short term when we should attempt to address the threat of rising ocean levels more effectively! I believe that Ms. Martha Hall Findlay and Mr. Justin Trudeau and other Liberal Party officials could do behind the scenes work to set the stage for a peace deal between Jordan and Israel that gets the Islamic nations going in a new direction of investing even more heavily in turning deserts green....In my opinion P. M. Stephen Harper would love to help out to bring genuine peace to the Middle East....at the same time as he is protecting Canadian communities vulnerable to rising ocean levels.

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This message posted to an Islamic group February 27, 2012 (that has since that time been hidden or deleted), has the potential to utterly transform the relationship between the Islamic world and the western democratic nations!

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Sure a change in how you go about dealing with alleged warming would make all the difference in the world.

Such a method has to involve zero additional taxation and zero additional regulation of consumers and the private sector.

Two things come right at you.

Nuclear power must replace fossil fuel at least partially. This means there has to be some relaxation of the mad-dog regulations that have killed nuclear power over the last two decades. Yucca Mountain has to be put into operation. Electric power generation is the source of 40% of US carbon dioxide emissions.

Once nuclear power has grown enough, that nuclear power could run a substantial portion of our transportation system by encouraging installation of electrification of US mainline railroads and putting in electrified truck lanes on major interstates. Transportation is the source of 35% of US carbon dioxide emissions.

If you could shift 40% of our electric power generation over to nuclear power you'd reduce US CO2 emissions by 16% of the total.

If you could shift 25% of our transportation to that nuclear power you'd reduce US CO2 emissions by 9% of the total.

Combined that's a quarter of US emissions and no additional taxation is required and no additional regulation plagues America.

Both shift estimates are completely doable in the medium run (8-15 years) and do not preclude anything else.

Two things guaranteed: No other country would do as much. No other country could do as much.

Get the Big Government core out of the response and it becomes politically viable.


On the other hand, a carbon tax is completely unacceptable.

 

Wow!!!! Impressive reply on this topic Taxcutter!!!!

Somebody recently wrote that the next generation nuclear plants would probably have been immune to the type of disaster that occurred in Japan!

 

Nuclear is just like any other technology. The more of them you do the better they get.

The US really needs to replace its entire fleet of aging nukes and replace them with newer designs.

Two easy lessons from Fukushima:
1. Get the spent fuel rods to Yucca Mountain
2. Put your emergency generators on high ground.

 

I ran into an impressive series of statements regarding these new reactors here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7673972-30/
Is global warming just another ‘End-of-the-World’ delusion?

Originally Posted by DennisTate View Post

Israel confronts world hunger with a solar-powered desert oasis | ISRAEL21c
http://israel21c.org/environment/israel-confronts-world-hunger-with-a-solar-powered-desert-oasis/

Growing food in the desert: is this the solution to the world's food crisis? | Environment | The Observer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/nov/24/growing-food-in-the-desert-crisis

 

Oh yes, I forgot about burning weapons and waste.

Check this out!

Megatons to Megawatts Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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Can you say.... PUSH POLL!

How about adding an option to your "Poll" of:

No, the whole concept of Humans CONTROLLING the climate is even more far fetched than the concept of short term weather control. Its just too big, and too complex and too many factors are completely outside human control.

The whole issue is a false, manufactured crisis designed to give big government a justification for controlling and taxing every facet of our lives. The whole thing is a huge SCAM!

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So you believe that Carl Cantrell's theory is false?

http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/globwarm.html

 

Don't oversell the Gen IV reactors. They are a huge improvement on the 1960s fleet we have but they are still nuclear fission devices.

 

Good point!

I also feel uneasy about nuclear energy!!!

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/research.html

 

Nuclear power is not a free lunch, but on balance has been beneficial.

If you buy the AGW fairy tale, you should passionate embrace modern nuclear power. Zero carbon dioxide in nuke operations.

As for promising technological areas you gotta remember that is exactly what they are. But promises are often unfulfilled. You cannot base policy on unproven technology.

For all its caveats, nuclear is 100% proven technology, and you can base policy on that.

 

Good points!

From an angle of parapsychology I have read several books on the studies on past life and future life regression or progression while subjects are in a hypnotic trance. In the Dr. Chet Snow study that was begun in cooperation with Helen Wambach Ph. D., subjects saw nuclear energy still in use five or six centuries in the future!!!!

 

In my opinion the following website not only gives hope to the Middle EAst...but should also be profoundly encouraging to ever resident of New Orleans, Florida, Holland, Bangladesh or any other community or city vulnerable to rising ocean levels!!!

http://saharaforestproject.com

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090205142132.htm
Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater

 

I like the idea of convincing a nation like Zimbabwe to risk their already mangled currency in a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7735229/
Unified Theory of Modern World Problems??!!

My wife did a Zumba fundraiser for orphans in Zimbabwe a few weeks ago. The $2000 plus dollars Canadian she earned would be over 82 quadrillion...233 trillion Zimbabwe dollars. If the President of Zimbabwe could be sold on the idea of investing in a project of this nature it is almost certain that over the coming two decades the national currency of Zimbabwe could be substantially stabilized by linking it to volunteerism......in North America!!??

 

Investment in turning deserts green could completely alter the Middle East peace formula!!!!

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran...pic_id=1021110

 

"Investment in turning deserts green could completely alter the Middle East peace formula!!!!"

Taxcutter says:
If you can do it without raising taxes or increasing regulations in the US, have right at it.

 

Yeah, sure. We're gonna turn the Sahara into farmland. Riiiiiiight....

Just go nuclear already. We have to at some point anyway, if you're so determined to stop climate change then start now.

 

My theory is that it can be done through printing up a new currency unit that is linked to a much larger plan than most governments tend to come up with.

Something almost along the line of a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems.....

http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...ssions-25-million-virgin-earth-challenge.html


My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.



Back in 2007 Sir Richard Branson and Mr. Al Gore announced the Virgin Earth Challenge!

I had watched "An Inconvenient Truth" several times already and I was thinking about another angle on the subject that would fit better with Isaiah chapter 35.


http://www.virginearth.com/

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Did you know that one nation on this earth has actually experienced cooling in its climate over these past fifty years.

That nation is Israel and it may not be a coincidence that they also led the world in planting trees and in desalination of ocean water to turn deserts green.

Trees and other plants eat carbon dioxide and alter the atmosphere in other ways as well.

 

I live in the desert and it is already a very viable ecosystem, do you know how many plants and animals you will make extinct by changing it? Haven't we caused enough destruction to the environment already?

 

But what alternative do we really have?

If ocean levels rise by as little as one meter tens of millions of people will become climate change refugees in the nation of Bangladesh alone.

The only way that I can think of that we could prevent ocean levels from rising by a meter or so over the next century is to desalinate on a large scale and divert that water into the water table of nations with lots of desert.

It also can be a great source of green energy.

http://www.ssb-foundation.com/

 

So you'd favor those regulations?

 

Number 2 is certainly a good one!

 

I actually tend strongly to agree with you that a carbon tax is NOT the best way to approach stabilization of the climate.

We got into climate change a great deal over in this thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rals-more-intelligent-than-conservatives.html
Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives
I am a Canadian who terms himself a "Blue Liberal" which means that I consider myself politically rather moderate with some leanings toward "Conservatism" as well as some tendencies toward "Liberalism."

I actually joined Canada's Liberal Party after taking a good look at the NDP and Green Party and deciding that they were too angry……… despised P. M. Stephen Harper with a level of hatred that seemed somewhat irrational…… so I joined the Liberal Party not too many months after Mr. Stephan Dion proved that his party took climate change very seriously!

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...y-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives
Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives