Could alternative method of combatting climate change unite right and left???

I was extremely impressed by how Dr. James Hansen elaborated on how tackling atmospheric carbon in such a way that would greatly decrease Global Dimming…… at the same time that little was done to decrease a general Global Warming trend….. could actually set in motion RAPID WARMING…… which of course would be extremely dangerous in terms of possible rapid collapse of especially vulnerable ice shelves such as the West Antarctic Ice Sheet or the land based Greenland Ice Pack.

 

Here is an interesting factoid that rather surprised me……

http://www.politicalforum.com/science/394228-ocean-acidification-4.html
Ocean acidification…


(post #40)…..

I was intrigued by this assertion……. did some searching and sure enough……..

http://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html
Dinosaur Era Had 5 Times Today's CO2

 

I agree, there can't be anything done about methane. Plus, CO2 sequestration efforts would basically make burning of carbon fuels ineffective, because more energy would be wasted in reclaiming the CO2 than what would be generated burning the fuel in the first place. Any intro Chem student knows that, since the burning of 1 molecule of liquid octane releases 8 molecules of gaseous CO2, a huge increase in entropy, which is a big part of the free energy gain of the process.

 

So what do you think of your CO2 global warming alarmist now, eh? remember the voice

How did the oysters survive?

 

Global brightening corresponds quite nicely with the warming we have had. Global dimming helps reflect sunlight cooling Earth, just like clouds do.

 

By Global Brightening, do you mean the cycle in which the earth orbits closer to the sun?

 

Air quality from particulates which were reduced until China started rising in manufacturing. But like CO2, correlation does not make causation. The global warming scare came along at the same time satellites showed warming with readings that started right during the last warming phase at the end of the 70's but are now ignored because they are not showing warming.

 

Have you seen what the french and others have done with nuclear safety and re-using spent rods... think about the united states for a second... for the past what 50 plus years, we have NOT researched or advanced the science of nuclear technology, because they were told to stop... but we have spent hundreds of billions researching all these other methods and made some significant advances in them... imagine where we'd be today if we simply hadn't stopped nuclear research... we'd probably have already surpassed a "next" generation and discovered a "third" generation by now... and all that research would have stretched out into other scientific areas and rippled through the economy as well...

but instead, out of fears, we stopped advancing something that would have solved the current "crisis" we're in today... and think about how often, celebrities and world leaders pressure third world countries not to adopt fossil fuels now... the very thing that would help bring BILLIONS of people out of poverty in these countries, cheap electricity, and we're now telling them its wrong to provide that... how amazingly ironic we are... we demand people help those in poverty, and then the one way we could immediately do it today, we reject because its dirty and wrong, yet we're still doing it every day for our people... insanity in its best example... now imagine if we had kept up nuclear research, we'd probably have found a way to build a facility to use some new nuclear fuel we could ship them that would change the lives of all those people... and it'd probably be so safe we wouldn't have to worry about terrorists stealing it for a weapon...

I could rant and babble all day on this one...

P.S. many of the french designs and technology, were based off americans research, they just made it better since they kept researching and advancing it... unlike america who gave up... more irony!

 

I assume that you mean Mr. Al Gore.

Well..... it is kind of complicated....... .one on level..... I really do believe that he accomplished a great deal through his film "An Inconvenient Truth" because humanity needed to become more aware of many of the topics that he brought to global attention in that film.

On the other hand......... I am somewhat surprised that he doesn't write more about possible alternatives such as.....

http://www.ssb-foundation.com

http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/qatar.html

....not to mention....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk
Greening the Desert
Permaculture Research Institute

 

1970's car.



1970's TV.



1970's Phone.

The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactors were designed in the 1970's..............things have changed.

 

Yes...... you have made your point very effectively I must admit!

I have to admit that I am somewhat encouraged by some of what I read recently. I will try to dig up some info on it!

 

This isn't a poll, it's an elaborate staw man argument. It precludes any solution other thoughts than the ones defined, which have clearly been chosen both the validate the premise (without actually validating it) and dismiss any other thought on the subject, by trying to narrowly define it.

 

I'm not sure why anyone would find this an inconvenient factoid, other than the fact that its' unlikely that human beings can achieve the same feat.

Given that, it seems rather pointless to me.

 

I found that this decreased my worries somewhat about the most probable effects of increased atmospheric CO2.

 

The leader of Canada's Green Party, Ms. Elizabeth May campaigned in my area back in 2008. (I voted for her).

She personally replied to my 2008 campaign writing...… and told me that yes....."turning deserts green is one part of the full response to climate change."

www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/


There are three primary threats to the quality of life for all of us who live here. High unemployment will probably force most of our young people to move far away to find jobs. Because of government cut backs St. Mary's Educational Centre may be closed as early as 2011. In the near future record high tides may devastate our roads and homes that are only a few feet above sea level. We are being told that there is little that you and I can do about any of these problems but this is simply not true.

Satellite pictures show rapid melting of Arctic ice but only about ten percent is above water level. Ice occupies more space than liquid water so until now we have experienced rather little ocean level rise. Our situation will be entirely different if and when melting occurs in the massive ice pack on Greenland and Antarctica that sit on land.

I am in agreement with environmentalist and economist Bjorn Lomborg that a carbon shift policy will probably be ineffective over the short term in combating global temperature increases or in preventing a destructive rise in world ocean levels.

Two effective methods to combat global warming and simultaneously fight rising ocean levels have been proposed by New Mexico biologist Carl Cantrell.

 

But what if biology teacher and coach Carl Cantrell's theory is basically correct...... that large scale desalination of ocean water to put fresh water into the world's deserts could in fact greatly decrease or even stop the general global warming trend?

 

What are Obama's priorities? Guns and Climate Change. Out of touch?

 

A serious drought year in the USA or a significant increase in cracking and sliding of ice on the land based Greenland Ice Pack or the West Antarctic Ice Sheet could cause people's priorities to change rapidly.

If........... climate stabilization was linked to peace in the Middle East people would find it more interesting and relevant...... but a carbon tax is pretty much only interesting to lawyers with a background in environmental science?!


http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...-peace-deal-between-jordan-israel-coming.html
Near death experiencer shown peace deal between Jordan and Israel is coming.

 

Question: Who wrote this?

"In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible"

 

My first guess would be Dr. James Hansen?!

He did a great job of dealing with the cognitive dissonance created by the research on Global Dimming!

 

We are not going to stop climate change. We adapt to it.

 

Good point!

Increased levels in atmospheric carbon dioxide seems to be increasing the amount of vegetation in some parts of the Sahara Desert where the level of humidity has not increased!

 

Well............ if you take a look at this other proposal..... you will probably at least realize that I'm not joking..... I think that this line of reasoning has potential.....

http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...petra-project-israel-jordan-palestinians.html

 

I have seen a video on a new technology that might make that switch over to so much nuclear energy unnecessary...... hopefully?!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2123268237703397

For more information:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...sucking-carbon-from-air-making-fuel-1.4696817