Could Benjamin Netanyahu Go To Jail? | If You’re Listening

For decades, Israel carried out a siege against Gaza, preventing most travel, exports, severely limited imports, food aid, etc., leaving Gaza without an economy

Israel prevented Gaza from fishing its most productive seas within its borders. Israel destroyed Gaza's airport and assured it would remain destroyed.

This is considered war by the international community.

The last 6 months of IDF activity in Gaza have been the wholesale destruction of civil infrastructure and residences. They have destroyed hospitals, universities, mosques. They have blocked travel and limited aid, driving Gaza into famine.

This has been all across the press for MONTHS. I'm struggling to guess what you are unaware of happening.

Is it the slaughter of doctors and nurses? Is it the constant bombing in cities and refugee camps?

Is it the fact that Israel hasn't achieved any of its military objectives in Gaza?

Have you seen the vid of Israel's last act in moving out of one area to be that of bulldozing the greenhouses of the starving population?

 

Israel will blow up anything whether they are Hamas, Gazan civilians or Israeli. The IDF have used Gazan civilians as human shields and Hamas did not fire on those IDF

 

If Hamas hadn't attacked Israel (or had attacked and failed)? Starting one thread on the topic of BiBi's on the possibility of Bi Bi being prosecuted, convicted and jailed for the fraud and corruption offenses he's been charged with would make sense. The problem is there wouldn't be a lot to say beyond noting that the charges were still hanging around out there waiting to proceed. Why? Because until now BiBi has successfully used Presidential immunity and back room deals to keep them stalled for more than a decade already. Why think anything would change?

The thing is prior to Hamas's assault BiBi's hold on the Presidency was largely secure. Oh he wasn't popular with Israeli citizens in general but he had successfully cobbled together a coalition of conservative parties that kept him safely in office. But after Hamas attacked and worse attacked successfully? Bibi's hold on power and his coalition government were suddenly struck a devastating blow. Israeli's on both sides of politics were rightly outraged by what happened and it was BiBi and his government that dropped the ball. The key point is that this war has completely changed the dynamics of Israeli politics. Because of it? BibI is now hanging onto office by his fingernails and he's now desperate to pull some kind of 'win' he can sell to the public because he knows that's about the only thing that's going to save him once the war is over. The now very real threat of prosecution is now influencing the conduct of the war - at least to a degree.

In short as a result of the failure to detect or prevent Hamas's assault there's now a direct nexus between the war and the probability of BiBi being kicked out of office and prosecuted once it's over. Indirectly (and probably unintentionally), Hamas has achieved something that wouldn't have been possible if it hadn't attacked. It has dramatically increased the odds of the trials proceeding which is in turn arguably having at least some small impact on how the war itself is being prosecuted by Israel. Hence the relevancy of the post.

 

Yes, Yes I know you're not the first person here to ping me on it. Its simply a nasty habit I've picked up over the years when typing quickly. Something I try and often fail to avoid. Given the short time limit here for corrections I often fail to correct it in time when I re-read. It's certainly not the result of any lack of education. So now that you patted yourself on the back for noticing? How about you answer the question.

 

Yes, things were different then-I ran the Ed Clark for President campaign-Yale New Haven in 1980. I was chairman of the LIBERAL party of the Political Union because of abortion, legalization and other social issues. My best friends included the Chairman of the Party of the Right, (Keisler) Steve Masters (an anti gun activist, and a Jew who from what I recall has engaged in advocacy for Palestinians-he is a founder of a Philly firm called Just Laws), another good friend was Joe Liberman's campaign aide and others. We could disagree and still be close friends. Now, conformity is required and intolerance of political diversity is the rule at those schools.

 

That's pretty much identical to my view!! I could support that.

Netanyahu needs the war to stay in office. If the war ends without a claim of victory that can be sold to Israelis, Netanyahu is in deep trouble and the entire country is going to change.

Gaza needs the war in order to raise this to a serious world wide level, because 20 years of siege and world inaction is something that a people can not tolerate. And, the West Bank efforts at peace by negotiation PROVED that negotiation was pointless, as the US and Israel would simply not allow that.

So, what path did they have??

Father's can't look into their son's eyes and tell them, "Tough luck, kid. You have no possibility of a future."

 

How is Israel using Palestinians as human shimmed? Where did you come up with that one?

 

You claim to be educated.

The US DoS definition of Antisemitism is:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Objection to the policy of the state of Israel is NOT Antisemitism.

Netanyahu disagrees, because it benefits him to hide behind his ethnicity and religion.

There is NO justification for holding Americans subject to Netanyahu's view.

 

How should Israel have responded to Oct 7 attack upon Israeli civilians?

 

he will probably claim it never happened-it was planned by Bibi and designed to make those peaceful Hamas folks look bad

 

The defensive brigades of Gaza resist blowing up their own people in order to kill a few IDF.

In fact, those brigades are demonstrating a strong resistance to `targeting Israeli rescue operations to retrieve their own Israeli fallen - their ambulances, their helicopters working locations where IDF have been killed or injured.

On the other hand, the IDF target hospitals, doctors, aid workers, nurses, patients with IVs still attached, ambulances, and all other civil service workers in Gaza.

 

This is why I strongly doubt your claims of education.

 

Do you understand the concept of human shields? Do you even know what that is? Islamists have a history of employing this tactic.

 

Did that make sense to you?

 

Life's tough.

We had the same problem trying to figure out how to go after OBL. So, we ended up trying to conquer Afg. STUPID.

The one thing that is absolutely obvious - a terrorist attack does NOT justify genocide.

It doesn't justify breaking the Geneva Conventions, the UN Charter and other international law that nations have agreed upon.

It doesn't justify slaughtering tens of thousands of men, women and children who had nothing to do with it.

It doesn't justify destroying the country's civil infrastructure, hospitals, mosques, universities.

It doesn't justify dropping 2000 pound bombs on civilian residences during the night.

It doesn't justify bombing refugee camps where people went on order of Israel in order to be safe.

You can add to this list as you prefer.

 

I'm tired of this argument.

The reason the argument is so flat out STUPID is that the IDF WILL shoot anyone they see - doctors, nurses, aid workers, people waving white flags, it just doesn't matter.

You can't find ANY example of your fear.

 

You didn't like my response to someone else?

 

I agree whole heatedly with most of your post. Just not that last bit about conformity. I believe the facts support the contention that the supposed 'pressure to confirm' is simply or illusion of the internet age. Face to face, the same same old rules apply . The problem is now most people aren't meeting 'face to face' , computers multiply the number of people we 'meet' a hundred fold. And it's on-line where those who yell the loudest get the most attention, nuances don't register, misinterpretation is rife and people feel free to say things they wouldn't say in a face to face setting. Witness this forum.

So I think mass conformity is a cage people are choosing to lock themselves inside of . On lime You pick a side and everyone outside of your 'cell' is the enemy etc etc. Which makes it hard for me because (1) every test I've ever done on political orientation places me firmly as a centrist and (2) On-line that is not a easy/ comfortable position to be in. The really annoying thing? The Bell curve tells us the majority of people tend towards the center in real life.

 

P.S. I would also add you see a similar type of psychology at work when driving i.e. rudeness and road rage from people who sitting isolated in the 'bubble' of their car from all the social norms they'd follow if they were meeting with the person they're yelling at face to face, let alone if that person as sitting next to in their vehicle. Its the same psychology you see at play on the internet just a different 'bubble'. So no, conformity is not the norm.

 

Two nieces of mine-the children of a middle of the road mother and my Trump hating brother who went from being a libertarian Republican to a Bloomberg style Democrat after 30 years in NYC-are both Hilary fans but they both agree that conservatives are shunned and harassed at Yale. One graduated three or four (the covid nonsense screws with my sense of time) years ago, and is now at U of Chicago law, the other graduated two years ago, I think she is working for some "progressive" women's interest group. They both noted none of their friends had any friends who were conservatives.

 

Sad, but that doesn't mean they my point about face to face interactions isn't valid. Especially since a large % of the population aren't 'registered' as members of either party.

 

I suspect lots of those useful fools protesting in favor of Hamas at universities aren't registered voters either. When I was in college, we called them "Causies" People who needed some cause to feel important. On top of that, many of these protests are being instigated and led by professional protestors-often funded by far left provocateurs

 

It wasn’t a matter of disliking it.


It made no sense. This is a public forum.

 

So then you don’t understand the Islamists history of using human shields? Either that or you condone it?

 

You know that is not true. Why are you repeating it?

The Hamas MO is to stage videos. That’s the CNN aka dead baby tactic.