Could Bernie Sanders be another Jeremy Corbyn?

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Donor

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    I was banned from a Reddit forum for asking this question.
    No malice was intended and none could be inferred.
    Under Corbyn's leadership the UK adopted many left wing
    policies. These were offensive to many older Labour voters.

    Sanders is a more savvy politician than Corbyn, and no-one
    can accuse him of anti-Semitism.
    But having Sanders as the Democrat nominee raises the
    parallels between the two of them. There is the danger that
    not only will the Dems lose the Presidential but they could
    have their brand effected too.
     
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    Sanders is like the pre Clinton dems The party of fdr and wallace.

    The current party bears little resemblence to the party of the people the common man. And this brand must be effected and changed .

    We dont need two parties representing wall street globalists! We need the balance back. And the DP must again be the party of the common man to get a balanced justice back.
     
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    Not sure of your point here - if Americans attack "Wall Street" and "Big Pharma" and "Corporations"
    and the "Military Industrial Complex" and "Evangelicals" and "White Supremacy" and the "Male
    Patriarchy" and statues of Confederates, explorers and white men for instance - what is left of your
    nation? You become another Spain or Portugal, worse, another Mexico - super worse, a vassal of China.
     
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    Wallace he never had ANY party??He got nowhere in national elections.
     
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    are you joking right here?!

    I don't see Sanders out there telling anyone "ask not what your country...."
     
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    If they want to hold onto the white working class it's imperitive.
     
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    Yes, the worst thing for any political party is to nominate someone they like but is unacceptable to the mainstream (Michael Dukakis?)
     
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    and in that they are the same. Corbyn was like pre Thatcher/Blair Labour or pre Neo Liberalism Labour or Labour when we were still a genuine Democracy.
     
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    When the two major parties are the "same" it essentially means there is broad agreement
    within that society. Alternatively when the parties are poles apart it speaks to a highly
    polarized and possibly violent society.
    So I am glad for Tweedledee and Tweedledum politics. It won't last.
     
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    He is much like JC in that his presence does more harm to the Dem (Labor in JC case) than it does to help them.
    Seems a lot of people on both sides think he could cost the Dems this election.
     
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    Is Bernie bad for the Party or is it the reaction of the entrenched old guard that is harmful? If change is coming a failure to embrace it and work within it is destructive. The swing left is absolutely real and supported by the young Democrat voters, they reject their grandparents Party. The job of Party leadership is not to stomp on it but to modify it to something nearer an acceptable reality.
     
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    The two parties are not the same. If they were, there would be no fight over Supreme Court picks.
     
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    You are mistaken, Corbyn has never been in power to cause the UK to adopt many left wing policies.
     
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    Can't understand your grammar. Are you saying that it was Corbyn's party who shifted
    Labour to the Left?
     
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    Comparing Sanders and Corbyn is a fallacy of false equivalency.
     
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    I wasn't referring so much to America but to general politics when
    there is scarcely daylight between their policies.
     
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    In a way, yes. But in a way no. Both are white, old men from Socialist
    backgrounds. Both have pulled their parties to the Left. Sure, Sanders
    is not technically Democrat - there's tons of differences but that's not the
    point.
     
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    They must represent the working class of all colors and stripes instead of none as is the present reality .

    Having both parties representing the financial sector and mncs and the elites holding the common stock is a huge problem.

    We lost a balance that has allowed a disemboweling. The fault of the dems and not the GOP !
     
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    JakeStarkey said:
    Comparing Sanders and Corbyn is a fallacy of false equivalency.
    No, Sanders has not pulled the Dems to the left.
     
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    Sanders is an insane maniacal Communist, and a general idiot. His policies would destroy this country and that is not hyperbole.
     
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    Care to join us on planet earth?
     
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    It is very much the reaction of the entrenched old guard that is harmful and they are answering to the hand which feeds them and that hand is not the voter.
    They believe they have destroyed it in the UK and hope to do so in the US as well. In a meeting during the Edinburgh Festival Yanis Varoufakis warned Corbyn that just as the US took out other governments which were left for instance in Latin America they should not be deceived that they would not do the same to them. You will remember that either Pence or Pompeo said that if Corbyn survived the gauntlet (presumably the lies and distortions being presented by Corporate Media), they would make sure he never was PM in the UK.

    Here is the irony. It is not even their grandparents Party. The Party changed after neo liberalism came into being. It chose to be the party which served the Oligarchs rather than a democratic Party. As well, and this may be more in connection with the climate emergency, a lot of these parents and grandparents are living out their retirement on things like the proceeds they get from Exon. To those people Neo Liberalism may still be providing what they need. Why should they worry about the people who will be here suffering when they are dead.

    There isn't in this. This is about Corporate Power the same as in the 30's except this time Corporate Power appears to be the one in charge whereas in the 30's it was the Politicians. In this scenario the play out has to be a win for the Oligarchs for Corporate Power. In order to achieve that they play the game of it all being someone else's fault, not theirs. They cannot work with 'the left'. They can only try to destroy them. On the other hand, many people believe that Sanders is the one person who could beat Trump...Now that would truly change the world at a time when it has never so desperately needed it.
     
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    I was talking about internal problems in the DNC, not their relationship to the GOP. The Democrats are splintered and Bernie can't bring them back together and he can't beat Trump. The sane portion that is left in the Democrat Party needs to have something to offer their youth other than The Federal Bureau of Democrat Investigation. They have done nothing for their voters in three years and people who understand earning a living can see that.
     
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    The far right has no idea of what is “communism” or “socialism”, as Trump Gurl gives us a good example of that.

    It’s cute that Heartburn is lecturing about the Democratic Party when he understands the political philosophy of neither party, nor or fifty years ago.
     
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    You believe my post was about the Democrats relationship with the GOP. That was not my intention.

    You have the 'centrists'. That is what both parties have turned into since Regan/Thatcher though I have heard with the Dems from Clinton. It isn't that they are 'centrists'. Centrists was just a name invented for them. The are both extreme right when compared to the time when they were acting Democratically. The US has no left wing party.

    As for Bernie can't bring them back to gether again and can't beat Trump. Many people believe he would have beaten Trump last time had it not been for the Democrat Party shooting him in the foot in order to get Hilary they thought to win. Similarly they are doing the same this time with the B guy. The Democrat Leadership are working to make it that Bernie cannot win regardless of the reality that he is the one who could beat Trump.

    Both the Republicans and the Dems are run by the Oligarchs. Bernie would be an opportunity to return to Democracy just as Corbyn was.

    I suspect what you call sane would not be what I would call sane. The Centrist Democratic Party answering to the Oligarchs who run the US can offer the young nothing. Neo Liberalism cannot provide the opportunities for the young. It is a system which offers increasing inequality to the point that 8 people now own as much as half the world. The US's time is over and no doubt unless you elect someone like Sanders you will be slipping into despotism/fascism which many people believe you are already in. Not everyone will go with that so you possibly can add civil war to your future. This will become particularly bad when you lose the dollars position. However in all that I hear that far from what we see the people of the United States in a majority are more of a Social Democratic psychology. They may choose Bernie and create a decent as can be society for people to live in through the climate emergency. With Trump of course the world will be destroyed even if his supporters get the despotism/fascism they so want.
     
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