Could Putin Quit?

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Aleksander Ulyanov, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Strange, how Putin's could get over 80%, when the Russians are suffering so? Kind of reminds me of Assad, and how he keeps killing his people, and yet received 88% of the votes. Certainly the 'esteemed' publications can't be wrong, so it has to be hypnotism. How evil can he get?

    Hee, hee, hee, hee!
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's funny!

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  3. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't laugh, pity them! They were fooled and now they're suffering for it. They should have joined the Donbas and fought for their freedom from the junta, but they didn't.
     
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    They shout: "Russians need to be hung on the gallows!"
    Stalin was a weakling, because he pitied the accomplices of the fascists. Now their children again want to kill the Russians. I have no regrets for those who want to kill me.

     
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    Why can't people understand that Russians like the man? Is Democracy what Western World sets it to be?
    If Russians want him to be president in 1000 years who the hell cares?
     
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    The ideal man to the Romans was Cincinnatus. He was also the ideal man to most of the Founding Fathers. Garry Wills bio of George Washington is called Cincinnatus in recognition of the many real parallels in the lives of both men

    http://www.badassoftheweek.com/cincinnatus.html[/QUOTE]

    LOVE this comparison and I actually try to use it and bring it up with friends when we are having our discussions.

    Rome's "Republic" became a NASTY two party system (sound familiar) until finally an amazing man, Octavian, picked up the pieces after all of the violence and like you said ..... GOT SHYTE DONE!!!!

    It is an interesting parallel to draw upon, when you look at the Marius Sulla thing vs the Democrat vs Republican thing of today, the similarities are just too vast. I wish that every American would be forced to learn of the times and how the political unrest was changing everything in the Republic. The term Marius Mule always cracked me up and reminds me of some of the military reforms being asked of today
     
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    Yeah that is how I see it.

    Honestly a lot of it is just political posturing. You have the same people saying we need to stop interfering and "Nation Building" then going on the other side and saying we shouldn't be happy with Russia unless they have a Western Democracy.

    The hypocrisy of politics now days is simply astounding
     
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    Yup, Western Democracies are not for everyone.

    There are a lot of countries (like Russia) that need a strong arm leader to get shyte done. When the people do not have the means, education or infrastructure to do things for themselves, they need the government to step in.

    The word "Dictator" was not a bad thing back in the day, the Roman's realized that in a time of crisis one person (strong person) would need to step in and streamline everything so it actually happened in a timely manner.

    Now, the Romans also had a time limit on their original dictators....

    I still think that two of the most amazing people in history and two of my personal "heroes" I guess you could call them, are George Washington and Lucius Quintius Cincinnatus.

    Two men who were offered absolutely completely power .... then gave it back after completing "their mission" to live a normal life for the betterment of their nation.

    Are there any others like those two who have done so as well? I honestly have only been able to find the two in all of history who have done so..... which is sad.
     
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    That's the important bit; trouble is that the worse a society becomes, the stronger the dictator needs to be in order to get the job done - for the greater good.
     
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    they aren't anymore, after a reform has been made on them, now they are ok.
    not nearly as corrupt as the West, keep this in mind when go on about 'corruption' etc.
    yeah, no gloating since your too busy with being jealous.
    na-ah, save your crocodile tears for someone else.
    that's a pack of lies, for there's no problem to do business in Russia, anyone who did can testify... and it is the West that you get in trouble if do business with; hence the publications you gave links to, they malign other countries in order to divert attention from Western corruption and crime.

    PS: however, what's your personal beef with us Russian? who are you? what are you?
     
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    Yeah, completely agree.

    And in my personal opinion, Octavian was an amazing individual and he was smart to not give up power. The issue with Rome IMO was when they started doing it by .... what is it called when you pass it on dynastically? Anyways, when they picked the best guy for the job "See the 5 Good Emp's" Rome was a superpower and Pax Romana created a far more peaceful Europe than had ever been seen.

    The people who try to say that Europe was peaceful until the Romans came are pretty funny. The Gaul's, Celt's and German's battled each other like it was today's NFL.

    Even funnier are those who say the Aztec's had some noble and amazing society. Can you imagine today if we had heart's being ripped out of live people on television as part of our culture?

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    if you think there's a difference in actual governing practice between 'west democracies' and the rest of the world, then your deluding yourself and living in a bubble; you also sound like you've never been anywhere; so i'd suggest you first go and see the world before making absurd statements.
     
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    I have been to the following 32 countries:
    Hong Kong
    Taiwan
    China
    Singapore
    Thailand
    Burma
    Malaysia
    Indonesia
    Philippines
    United States
    Mexico
    Canada
    Russia
    Costa Rica
    Peru
    France
    Spain
    Germany
    Brittain
    Mocano
    Italy
    Greece
    Portugal
    Iceland
    India
    Vietnam
    South Korea
    Sweden
    Denmark
    Puerto Rico
    and Ireland.

    Does that count as traveling? Or have I only seen a bubble? Which countries have you been to? Since you were the on to bring up that argument as anything meaningful to being "worldly"

    And yes, there is a VASTLY different governing policies between "Western Democracies" and countries that need strong leadership in order to control their country, Russia is one of those countries.

    You know, kinda like creating laws that allow your most poweful person in the country to switch jobs back and forth forever so he can continue to have power? Can you point me to what Western Democracy does that?

    As I have said before, some countries like yours NEED the strong arm tactics, their morals and belief systems simply work better with that ideal.

    The origional plan of "No Democracy has attacked another Democracy had good intentions, but it is just too near sided and doesn't work. We need to let countries do their thing even if we disagree with them. We need to use them for allies and trade deals and nothing more. Their/your/Russia internal politics is more than free to do what you want with
     
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    1000 years is too much. Even for Putin :)
     
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    What is funny here? Ukrainians started the civil war already. What will they do next time?
     
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    The interesting approach... You see only one video and the verdict is ready! What about an alien opinion? Russian police is not ideal one, but I prefer to be taken by the Russian Police than be killed by an American policeman.
     
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    To laugh at idiots is not good thing to do.
     
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    Usually in Russia impoverished people generally are slim... What stuff do you eat there???
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reality is that the Russian Federation does not consist of an intermingling of people like the US. It consists of provinces, territories, and Republics of different ethnicities which have always been part of Russia. Among them are 22 Republics, and most of them are Islamic.

    These Republics have their own official language, and their own constitution, and the problem is to keep the governors from becoming too powerful. .. and to keep away the American troublemakers like the CIA and Soros' NGO's. Right now Washington is working on Russia's Far East. Oh well, what else is new?

     
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    It's because of Galatia. When the European powers wanted to make Ukraine a country in the 19th century, the Tsar said it would never work if Galatia was a part of it. So the idiots, or rather the sadists in Washington, instead of allowing them to declare their independence, decided to have a coup and give them full control of Ukraine.

    We see now the results... and it will get worse, or at least for those in Western Ukraine who caused it. They can't escape the consequence of their crimes no more than Berlin did. It's a given.
     
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    MacDonalds, etc. It's how our government solves the world's population problems. They kill off the poor and dumb with junk foods.
     
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    I lived in the USSR and I live in Russia. Do you know what a difference between ourselves that time and now? Now we are sure that not our government is guilty in our problems. If MacDonalds is evil then don't you eat there. It is enough. But you can't do even it :(
     
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    You mean thin and slim from too much vodka and krokodil?
     
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    That's why everyone laughs at Russians,LOL.
     
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    That's why I said our government is not only killing off the poor, it's killing the dumb as well. All they have to do is eat better foods, and if it's more expensive then eat less.
     
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