Crisis at Marvel: Jonathan Majors Back-Up Plans, ‘The Marvels’ Reshoots, Reviving Original Avengers

This article seems to suggest that chaos rules the day at Marvel Studios...which would explain a lot...

Crisis at Marvel: Jonathan Majors Back-Up Plans, ‘The Marvels’ Reshoots, Reviving Original Avengers and More Issues Revealed

This past September, a group of Marvel creatives, including studio chief Kevin Feige, assembled in Palm Springs for the studio’s annual retreat. Most years, the vibe would have been confident — even cocky — given how the premier superhero brand, owned by Disney since 2009, has remade the entertainment business in its image.

But this occasion was angst-ridden — everyone at Marvel was reeling from a series of disappointments on-screen, a legal scandal involving one of its biggest stars and questions about the viability of the studio’s ambitious strategy to extend the brand beyond movies into streaming. The most pressing issue to be discussed at the retreat was what to do about Jonathan Majors, the actor who had been poised to carry the next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe but instead is headed to a high-profile trial in New York later this month on domestic violence charges. The actor insists he is the victim, but the damage to his reputation and the chance he could lose the case has forced Marvel to reconsider its plans to center the next phase of its interlocking slate of sequels, spinoffs and series around Majors’ villainous character, Kang the Conqueror.


Whew this article is filled with tidbits!

 

This article seems full of treasures, such as this...

"“The Marvels” has seen its release date moved back twice, too, once to swap places with “Quantumania,” which was deemed further along, and again when its debut shifted from July to November to give the filmmakers more time to tinker. But that extra time didn’t necessarily help. In June, Marvel, which traditionally only solicits feedback from Disney employees and their friends and families, took the uncharacteristic step of holding a public test screening in Texas. The audience gave the film middling reviews. "

I don't know if The Marvels is going to be good or bad, but it always seemed to me a weakness that two of the three major characters came from Disney Plus. Compared to a theatrical movie, the TV audience seems miniscule, so other than Captain Marvel, most movie goers are not going to know the other two.

 

The Marvels trailers have not looked good. Film will not make $200m in the US. Going to be a bomb

On a related note. I was looking forward to the new Daredevil series, but that has turned into a disaster. They fired the show runner and a lot of others.

They better not eff up the Deadpool/Wolverine film

 

I think the movie will at least make $200 million, but that would still be a bomb. Per this source, "While it's speculated that the budget could be more than the reported $219.8 million due to the amount of re-shoots and post-production work that happened after its initial filming, given this current number, the film would need to generate at least $439.6 million to break even."

As for the Daredevil show, I really liked the Netflix version and was looking forward to the new show on Disney plus...until I saw the Daredevil guest shot on She-Hulk. After I saw that; pass. But they've stopped production and are retooling it so maybe they can salvage something about it.

 

Marvel hasn't been worth jack since Jack Kirby died

 

The Critical Drinker gives his take on the article.

 

Another gem...

"As public criticism mounts, Feige is pulling the plug on scripts and projects that aren’t working. Case in point: the “Blade” reboot. With Mahershala Ali signed on for the eponymous role of a vampire, things looked promising for a 2023 release date. But the project has gone through at least five writers, two directors and one shutdown six weeks before production. One person familiar with the script permutations says the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons. Blade was relegated to the fourth lead, a bizarre idea considering that the studio had two-time Oscar winner Ali on board."


Taking the title character and moving them to the back burner to promote "women" stories sounds like what sunk The Witcher.

 

$200m worldwide - sure
Domestic - no chance

 

Superhero fatigue?

Inability to promote during a strike?

Misogyny?

Or maybe it's not a very good movie?

The Marvels just might be the MCU’s first huge box office disaster

All this points to a franchise low point, with The Marvels expecting to debut anywhere from $45 million to $70 million and complete its domestic run well under $200 million. That’s lower than Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, which many thought was the the nadir for MCU movies. For a movie that costs around $250 million, it will need all the help it can get from overseas audiences to simply break even. Whatever happens, just don’t count on Captain Marvel 3 to ever see the light of day.

 

I think a combo of 3 of the 4 (don't think misogyny is an issue)

It may not even reach $45m this weekend. I said the other day that it would not reach $200m domestic. $100m may be a struggle.

I just watched the credit scene on your tube which I was interested in. So now I definitely have no reason to see this

 

Some trailers absolutely grab you.

This one did not.

 

It looks like most of the article was bull **** or just plain badly outdated. Hell, I'm pretty sure most of the Majors stuff has blown over.

The Marvels movie looks good and early reviews are really positive. Misogyny does play a role here, but I think the main problem isn't so much superhero fatigue as it is franchise fatigue.

Early reviews I've gotten are:
* The bad guy sucks (this is pretty common for Marvel movies, though).
* The CG is a mixed bag, some really good and some really bad.
* The movie isn't very newbie friendly, and several people said they had a hard time figuring out where Act 1 ends and Act 2 begins.
* I'm hearing nothing but good things about Act 3, though, which is highly unusual for a superhero movie. That's normally where they kind of fall apart.
* The film sets up at least two major future events for the MCU.
* Sounds like the fight scenes are incredible.
* Kamala Khan and her family steal the show and are the standout actors. I've even seen several people compare her to Tom Holland's Spider-Man.
* The consensus seems to be that the movie is really, really fun. I'm not saying "good" in the sense of it being high-quality cinema. I'm saying fun. Lots of reviewers are saying they laughed and smiled more in this film than they have for most other Marvel films.

My prediction: It will be better than Captain Marvel and most of the phase 1 movies, but won't rise to the level of the best MCU films/series. Hell, I've heard multiple people call it "Ms. Marvel Season 2." Which I'm all in for. That series was badass.

 

Ah, forgot about the other major complaint I'm hearing: Marvel spoiled way too much about this movie in the trailers, particularly the mid credits scene.

 

I don't think this reviewer liked it.

‘The Marvels’ review: The worst MCU movie yet

 

Of course not. He's a far right toxic talking head who formulated his opinion well before ever seeing the film. He just has a hate boner for Larson.

 

I watched it over the weekend, and it was actually better than expected. Brie Larson's Captain Marvel actually had a pretty good character arch, as did Ms Marvel. Act 1 started off strong and just kind of . . . meandered into a lackluster Act 2, which I'd heard critics say, but Act 3 was great. And, again, this is often where Marvel has had trouble sticking the landing. The only real complaint I had about Act 3 is that there was an amazing fight scene . . . without amazing music to back it up. They should have saved the Beastie Boys song for that scene, which is the way they had made it look in the trailers. Ms Marvel's parkour moves for that last fight were especially awesome, knowing it was the actual actor there and not a stunt double, bring back Tom Holland vibes.

It was probably stronger than any second Marvel film for a hero other than Captain America or Spider-Man, and it was way, way better than Quantumania or Multiverse of Madness.

More importantly, I haven't laughed this much in a Marvel film that wasn't a Spider-Man or Guardians of the Galaxy flic, and those are high bars.

Here's the but: don't watch this movie if you haven't seen (in the very least) the first Captain Marvel. You probably also won't enjoy it as much if you haven't seen Ms Marvel. And the Photon character (kind of lackluster until the very end) will be difficult to understand if you haven't watched Wandavision. Hell, you'll also probably be lost with one of the post-credit scenes if you haven't seen Hawkeye.

Marvel has kind of painting itself into a corner. The more of this complex universe that they weave, the more they have to rely on audiences knowing these other movies and shows, and even the fans familiar with the previous movies aren't as familiar with the shows. This movie is a great reward for the fans that basically just consume all of the MCU content they can, but I don't see it appealing to a broader audience. For me, though, it was worth it to see Kamala Khan on the big screen and to laugh for an hour and a half or so.

For the MCU fans that also watch the Disney+ series, I'd give an 8/10. For anyone else, eh, maybe 4/10.

 

Really? I've no idea about the politics of this movie reviewer. What far right publication does he write for?

 

What right wing publication does he write for? His own.

He's been a right-wing reactionary shill for a long time. He tries to keep his main channel somewhat neutral, but he has at least one other channel where he shows his true colors. Look him up if you want.

 

So you don't actually know, it was simply a reaction because he didn't love the movie as much as you.

Wow, everyone really is a critic!

 

The Marvels just bombed harder than Hiroshima. I guess the M "She" U has ran it's course...

 

If you had actually read (and you didn't read, just like you didn't watch the movie), you'd understand I've watched the guy's content before. But the "Wow, everyone really is a critic" line is particularly rich as you try to hold a critic above any reproach.

 

I love that line! Thank you for giving me the opportunity to use it.

 

I'm glad you are proud of said hypocrisy. Have fun.

 

Wow, you lefties really don't know what the word hypocrisy means! I mean, I'd always heard that but here you are...

 

I've already shown how the statement was hypocritical. I'm sorry that you think that only "lefties" are capable of intellectual consistency.