D-Day

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  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    In reality, and not stated ideology, every facist who ever was cozied up to the bankers, press barons, and industrialists. And then, tried to co opt them. That’s what both Hitler and Mussolini did. And the one and only Trump victory on domestic policy is a tax cut written by and designed for Goldman Sachs and their friends.

    The President does not promote democratic elections. Indeed, he finds them inconvenient, openly musing about how he deserves to have two years added to his term. And Trump is the biggest enemy of free trade the United States has produced since the 1920’s.
     
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  2. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Conservatives in general, and Trump, are not Nazis.

    Much respect to your father, Tom.

    Seth :salute: :flagus:
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    It wouldn't matter, the MSM was criticizing the speech before he even gave it and has been hurling vile insults at him the entire time.
     
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    News arrives late at CNN and MSNBC.
     
  5. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    That is the best lie of the week = 'You delivered a world into freedom'

    America denied freedom and human and civil rights to a significant segment of its citizens during WWII. It sure wasn't delivering freedom to them.
     
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  6. Professor Peabody

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    Does that include Bill's speech at Normandy too?

     
  7. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wasn't Democrat hero and icon FDR President?
     
  8. bx4

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    His formal speeches are written by someone else and do not reflect what Trump thinks. Nor are they consistent with his actions.
     
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    I'm sure that is what you would like to believe, but it is not based in reality. He has been getting kudos for the speech.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/06/...neration-trump-world-war-ii-france/index.html

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/poli...px.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

    But hey - you go ahead and continue your irrational and unfounded prejudice against the MSM.
     
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  10. Quantum Nerd

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    Too many god men lost their lives that dreaded day. It is often forgotten that many German men (and boys) did too. Here is an account of a 16 year old boy soldier from the German side:

    https://www.spiegel.de/einestages/l...scher-soldat-den-d-day-erlebte-a-1270745.html

    I know it is in German, but can be translated.

    In essence, the vast majority of German soldiers were as scared (but still brave) as the Americans were. They fought and died for the homeland, at least that's what they were told. The actuality of war opened many eyes with regard to the futility of the homeland propaganda.

    It is important to realize that this "homeland" and "Deutschland ueber Alles" attitude is the same that fuels Trump support for his MAGA campaign. The misguided notion that extreme patriotism is good and that all other nations are unimportant and have to yield for the homeland.
     
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    I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with high school asthma Biden giving the speech?
     
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    :roflol:
     
  13. struth

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    Well you start with an incorrect first point

    Goldman Sachs was a huge backer or Clinton and is a backer or the dnc. Moreover his tax cuts were for all Americans. Maybe you should actually see the facts
     
  14. struth

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    Thanks, you confirmed
     
  15. Texas Republican

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    Trump means what he says in his speeches. If he didn't, he'd toss the speech in a second.
     
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    You are assuming he takes the time to read the speech before he stands up and delivers it from the teleprompters. That is a big assumption. He likes his briefings in one-page summaries and pie charts. The chance of him reviewing the text of a speech before he delivers it is pretty low.
     
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    TDS
     
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    I'm guessing based on the gravity I know our leaders had about DDay, that the first waves that eventually took out the German forces took a huge onslaught. After that was done the remaining allied soldiers had an easier time and the photographers could do their thing.

    Just a guess.
     
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    Not really. Just drawing conclusions from observations.

    You, on the other hand, are clearly suffering from Trump Worship Syndrome.
     
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  20. Texas Republican

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    So you have no proof. You lose.
     
  21. Quantum Nerd

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    BTW, my father was lucky enough to be too young to be drafted into the Wehrmacht in WWII. However, his brother and his cousin served, both on the Russian front. Both escaped with their lives, but became prisoners of war with the Russians. His cousin almost lost a foot and they both almost starved. One big difference between the Americans and the Russians was how they treated POWs, which was, in my opinion, a contributor to the German American friendship after the war. Let's hope our politicians don't mess it up, forgetting about history.

    Note in edit: In defense of the Russians, they had a reason to treat the German POWs badly, because the Germans did the same to them. The US was just lucky to enter the war when it was almost over. The Russians took the brunt of the human loss. Stalingrad alone cost about 1.1 million Russian lives.
     
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  22. opion8d

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    The written speech Trump gave at Normandy was flawless, his delivery lackluster. One didn't have to wait long to see the real Trump in action as he lambasted Pelosi, Schumer, and Mueller with the backdrop of a thousand graves during D-Day ceremonies. Despicable.
     
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    The U.S. fought in 60% of the European war. The first 40% was before Pearl Harbor.
     
  24. struth

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    It was horrible to see the Speaker of the House suggest the President should be locked up, while he is overseas, let alone when he is overseas honoring D--Day. I used to refer to them as the "radical" left....now it's just the left...the radicals have taken over. This is a woman that in her last gig as Speaker had tea with Assad as he was gassing his people....so sick
     
  25. Quantum Nerd

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    The US lost 275,000 soldiers in Europe in WWII. Germany lost 5+ million, Russia 10+ million. So, while counting casualties isn't really proper, compared to Russia the US got off lightly in WWII. I realize that for the individual fallen soldier and their families, it doesn't really matter how many others have died.
     

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