date rape is a fake crime....

Crap....sorry...take lorane and john Bobbitt...(*)(*)(*)(*) you auto correct

 

So a drunk driver is a victim, too? Remember were not talking about force raping a girl who is drunk, were talking about having consetual sex with a drunk girl who then feels guilty or ashamed at how drunk she allowed herself to get and what she agreed to.

 

Please tell me your mind is not that dependent and this post is a joke.

Haha!

 

Your misogynist hypothetical has no relationship with the facts surrounding acquaintance rape; and again... if she's falling-down drunk, she is no condition to say 'yes'... and the man in question should understand this.

 

What if she just gets buzzed? She doesn't have to be falling-down drunk for it to be considered rape.

 

Indeed, she's impaired in this sense also... but ultimately, adjudication in these situations has to come by her experience.

 

Of course, but the jury/judge needs to make a decision derived from the law, not from morals. The law can't be so broad to say that a woman can claim rape every time she has sex with someone drunk.

 

Rape should be for forced rape....slipping a girl a drug without her knowledge or permisssion, and some statutory rape.

Calling a Mulligan after you slice your shot into the sandtrap shoudlnt be allowed.

Problem is some girls only want sex while drunk. Meaning they want to get drunk on purpose to have sex, they like it better that way. So guys are put at a disadvantage trying to read a girls mind in this situation

 

Again, is this even the remotest of a problem today? I call shens here... statistics say women report rapes at an abysmally low rate, and arrests and convictions are even lower. So this...

... is just misogynist nonsense.

 

I do think there is a problem of non reporting of real rapes but it seems its because of the fear of ridicule or being counter accused of false reporting..... I understand that, but its the real false reporting women like loranna. Bobbitt and the Duke lacrosse stripper that makes it tougher for real rape victims

 

Not true. You are suggesting women reporting false rape make it tougher for real rape victims.

What makes it tough for women reporting rape... is the terrible stigma, the terrible trauma of being raped, and the way the courts still try to disparage a woman's character in a bid for the lawyer defending the rapist to try to get the rapist off. Try having your character mischaracterised / lied about / dragged through the mud... on top of having being brutalised by being raped.

False rape claims are miniscule compared to real rape claims. Many go unreported and that lets many rapists off. Not good.

What makes it tougher for rape victims is not women reporting false rape... IT IS THE FACT THAT THEY ARE RAPED. THAT IS WHAT IS TOUGH. Your looking to put some portion of blame / responsibility on women for other women being raped is ludicrous and totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.

What makes it tough for women that are raped... ARE THE SCUMBAG RAPISTS THAT RAPE THEM.

 

Well said.

 

In for the win!

 

What a bunch of nonsense, typical.

You're denying this obvious fact? I shouldn't be surprised but still am.

Did you just say that the courts are on the side of the ALLEGED rapist? And yeah, innocent until proven guilty, you don't want it any other way trust me.

Actually, in some areas of the USA, there are more false reportings then real reportings. You seriously claim this doesn't harm genuine victims?

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), can't you finally realize that a woman can do wrong and stop sucking that feminist propaganda?? A clear sign that someone is a feminist btw is when they look at all woman as one group, and usually an innocent, always ABUSED, always in need of special protection/treatment group.

 

I call shens.

 

Come into this thread late, and I haven't read the whole thing, but as an unreconstructed non-feminist female, I agree with every word of this OP.

As someone who was a teenager in the 1960s, in the days of "free love" and shagging everything in sight with a working penis, I would not have dreamed for a micro-second of going out dressed like a tramp (which was, in my day, 3 and 1/2 inch stiletto heels, skirt just past the crack of your arse, top so low cut as to let the casual observer see what you had for breakfast and so much mascara you had a heckuva job keeping your eyes open) OR getting out of my head on drink/drugs to the extent that I could wake in the morning and not know what happened the night before...or be so terminally embarrassed by what had happened the night before that I decided that the drink made me do it, despite the fact that I had obviously put myself in a situation where sex was a possible outcome.

I have certainly been so drunk that I have done things in drink that I wished in the morning that I hadn't, but I have never not known what I did...and I used to take a fair bucket and then some.

The one thing I was always taught by my father, and never forgot, was that men kept their brains in their penises...and what you never do is give them the perception that waving it in your direction would be acceptable to you..unless it is.

Sure I never thought it was fair that I had to take responsibility for not laying myself out on a plate to be attacked by males who couldn't control themselves......but in the end, I weighed up whether I wanted to be raped...or whether I could hack going out boozing/dancing dressed a shade more demurely, though still fashionably.(heels and half closed eyes acceptable, but top not split down to the navel and skirt above knees but far enough below the crack of my bahookey so as you didn't see my knickers.)....and decided that an attempt at prevention was the better of the two options/lesser of two evils.

According to Home Office research in the UK, between 3% and 9% of all reports of rape are found to be false..and that is only male/female rapes. Yet the lives of those men accused are often devastated. Some even commit suicide, so terrible is the stigma of being charged with sexual assault - even if subsequently cleared.

I really can't see why personal responsibility for your actions appears to have gone out the window nowadays for everybody......but particularly if you are female and can blame men for all your ills.

 

It's a fake crime until you are the one who gets date-raped.

 

So define date rape for me.

As a female, I am happy to accept slipping a mickey finn into a female's drink, so that they are not capable of thinking, far less consenting...and I am happy to accept any level of force with an immediate report to the police on the perpetrator leaving the scene.

However, I do not accept that a drunk female who happily goes home with/takes home, and to bed, a date/friend/complete stranger is raped because she thinks better of her actions/can't remember her actions when she wakes/sobers up.

 

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That...

Change your mind sex is not date rape. I have bedded a modest share of drunk girls who I have never called again. Some had boyfriends....some, who knows. But when some girls get caught cheating, their kneejerk response is to say I must have been raped because I'll lose everything if my hubby discovers I got drunk and chose to sleep with someone else.

My wife did that....got drunk and slept with a black guy at the bar. I caught her and she tried to blame the alcohol and I cut her off and kicked her out. She chose to go out, she chose to drink (and I'm assuming drugs) and she chose to suck his dick.... so error 404...no rape found. I could have ruined that guys life simply because I wanted revenge and my wife wanted to save her ass. The worst thing I could do to him is just let him have her

 

http://www.france24.com/en/20110515-strauss-kahn-charged-with-alleged-sex-attack-in-new-york

Wow...imagine the late breaking in this.... Strauss Kahn had sex with a woman who the lied about the details and has been released from house arrest and given back his bail.... seems she realized who this guy was, and decided to try and get money. She's lied about being gang raped in her home country so she could come to the USA. Now who ssid women can't ruin caterers of men after having consentusl sex with them simply trying to get something? This man's political career is ruined and the only thing he's probably guilty of is adultery. (And I'm not discounting by anymeans, that he is still a POS, but he's not a rapist)

So please....all you naysayers that have been on this thread claiming women don't false report it....please feel free to try and spin this...

http://communities.washingtontimes....1/jul/1/strauss-kahn-freed-rape-charge-doubt/

 

She lied about her immigration status, and has had a bad life in the gutter... that is all; but like with the woman in the Duke case, if you're poor and black, the onus always shifts onto you. But then...

... you seem well practiced in reassigning blame...

[quite]My wife did that....got drunk and slept with a black guy at the bar. I caught her and she tried to blame the alcohol and I cut her off and kicked her out. She chose to go out, she chose to drink (and I'm assuming drugs) and she chose to suck his dick.... so error 404...no rape found. I could have ruined that guys life simply because I wanted revenge and my wife wanted to save her ass. The worst thing I could do to him is just let him have her[/quote]

... past trauma perhaps... but for whom? Ick.

Wait... why do you think this is 'prevention', exactly?

 

...and there is the obligatory race card.....
She also lied about what she did after "being raped" first claiming she hid in the hall, now its apparent she continued cleaning rooms, then reported it.
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Face it, this girl got caught trying to use the accusation of rape for her benefit and she's done it before.

Same with the Duke lacrosse stripper. They probably pissed her off and she cried rape to get even with them.

I have no doubt this guy was an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but being guilty of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) is not worthy of a rape accusation.

I don't know who you think should get the blame in my exwifes example you quoted... but I put it on the person who made the choice. But the facts are, she was perfectly fine with the thought of blaming him for rape so she wouldn't lose everything in the marraige (which she did btw)

 

And there is the reliable race-card-card.

Wow... that TOTALLY wrecks her credibility.

Question is... get even with them over what?

Then why in these discussions are you discounting the 'choice' of the rapist to rape?

 

I don't think it was a prevention as in it would stop me being grabbed going past a dark alley and raped by anybody who got off on rape. But I should think dressing like a nun wouldn't make any difference in that situation.

However, it was a prevention in that I wasn't giving the hormonally challenged male of the species the impression that I was fair gagging for it.

In an ideal world, you would certainly be able to dress as you wish commensurate with the laws on public decency...but we live in this one, which is much less than ideal, and it is more than foolish to believe that all of a sudden the way people think has changed because other people say it should have.

We take simple precautions every day to reduce risk to ourselves and others even if that is no more than putting the dog on the leash to cross the road. Those precautions don't infringe our human rights, but are a sensible effort to avoid the possibility of something bad happening. So how come that same principle, when applied to choice of clothing generates such heat and fury?

Many people use the way someone is dressed as one of the tools to form perceptions on first meeting...and if you dress in skimpy, revealing clothing, you are going to be perceived as "up for it" by those who think that way. It may well be a false perception, but if you then get drunk and proceed to snog everything in sight and grab at men's crotches etc, the perception is reinforced. You may well just be a silly girl who is as pure as the driven snow, and can't handle your drink, but that would not be the signal you are sending out.

If you read websites about date rape, even they give suggestions about avoiding the situation in the first place including saying Do not send out mixed messages. Be absolutely clear and say "yes" when you mean "yes" and "no" when you mean "no". Do not expect your partner to be able to read subtle hints or read your mind and Alcohol impairs your ability to make responsible decisions. Be responsible and remain in a state so that you can get yourself home.

In the end, and in my opinion, any female who goes out, gets blootered out of her mind, takes a bloke home with her, falls into bed with him, then decides in the morning when sober that she hadn't really wanted to have sex the previous night at all, is too late to object and has to suffer the consequences of her actions. Unfortunately, the feminists have succeeded in making it easy for a female to blame the man for a night she regrets rather than blame herself.

 

For starters, your thread title is disingenuous. Claiming date rape is a fake crime. Are your privvy to every situation where date rape is being perpetrated to that claim date rape is a fake crime?

Secondly, you are putting your own spin / your own words in a woman's mouth. Suggesting she was drunk and simply regretted sleeping with someone. Again, how do you know? Are you there at every incident of date rape to spout here?