date rape is a fake crime....

Yet rapists should get a life sentence of solitary confinement? That's what you said.

 

You're too kind. A noose over the head, but for a rapist, you just want life in prison.

 

A just solution would be for rapists to stop raping women.

Then the rest of the associated discussion (false rape allegations) would end, too.

If men stopped raping women… there would be NO rape threads… there would be no discussion of rape in any form… there would be no discussion of false rape claims…

 

Rapists choose to rape women they perceive as vulnerable (old women in the US get raped quite often), or would have little desire to report (an aquanitance or family member). How you dress does not effect that... and indeed, this myth only causes women to blame themselves and cause friends/police/juries/etc to shift the onus onto her.

http://www.thisisnotaninvitationtorapeme.co.uk/dress/#myth_tab

Because it's not only untrue, but it restricts how you live and move in the world; that women live under such a threat, and are pressured to act in a restrained fashion, indicates an infringement on your human rights.

But again, the onus for the rape...

 

The fact you trivialise / make a joke about date rape... shows your immaturity - shows your inability to form a semblance of maturity on the issue.

Also, you should stop bragging on the forum about sleeping around as much as you do. It makes your posts come across as cheap and nasty and foolish.

 

Instead of making it up as you go along, why don't you at least link / source something? Your contrived nonsense is bordering / has leapt over being irrational.

 

Don't talk to me about propaganda. I've witnessed your particulalry nasty gay bashing on this forum. And I barely want to engage you at all for that.

You think I look at women as innocent and always ABUSED? When it comes to women that are raped, that IS the case.

 

Wow, just wow.

Yes, of course. It's not the mans responsibility not to rape a woman. It's the woman's responsibility not to do something that will make a man rape her.

The man isn't responsible for raping a woman "...who layed herself out on a plate to be attacked by males who couldn't control themselves".

You weighed up whether you wanted to be raped?

I am disgusted with your post.

3% & 9%? Spare a thought for the 91% - 97% of raped women whose lives are devastated.

Women blaming men for all their ills? Take a look at your statistics again. 91% - 97% of male rapists are blaming women for all their ills by taking their aggression out on women by raping them.

Unbelievable bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from you.

You seem obsessed with attire in your post. What are the rapists wearing? If only we could discern the scumbag rapists from the clothes they wear.

 

Which part of I don't think it was a prevention as in it would stop me being grabbed going past a dark alley and raped by anybody who got off on rape. But I should think dressing like a nun wouldn't make any difference in that situation. did you not understand? (or bother quoting?)

Which part of We take simple precautions every day to reduce risk to ourselves and others even if that is no more than putting the dog on the leash to cross the road. Those precautions don't infringe our human rights, but are a sensible effort to avoid the possibility of something bad happening. So how come that same principle, when applied to choice of clothing generates such heat and fury? do you not understand? (or bother quoting?)

Yes... it is on the woman just as much as the man. Or are you saying that women are so pathetically vulnerable to coercion or emotional manipulation that they must always be protected from themselves? Do they not have any responsibility for not being silly cows who chance their arm and don't like the consequences? If you demand that men act responsibly, why do you not demand that the female of the species does the same? Double standards?

None of the above is "taking responsibility for his sexual assault"..it is simply taking responsibility for yourself and setting limits as to how you want to use your body and on how much you drink to ensure that you are capable of taking responsibility for yourself and setting limits to how you want to use your body.

Your type of post is precisely the reason I lost patience with feminism after we gained equality under the law in the UK...because feminism is now heading into daemonising men mode. Society's ills will not always be solved by making every darn thing a crime. Where is the equality feminists in the 1960s and 1970s fought for, if in the 21st Century we are over-protecting women from themselves and making women more equal than men.

You tell me.......I know what I think!

Seems to me if she gave a meaningful yes in the pub (in which case the bloke will think he is in with a shout); has made no effort to disabuse the expectations of the bloke (and I do know that males make it blatantly obvious what they expect...all you have to do is look at their crotch); or hasn't given a meaningful no in the pub (and I'm inclined to think, from experience, that a meaningful no will mean going home on your own)...so having gone to their place or taken him to her place, they happily go to bed and go at it like rabbits..then she decides on sober reflection that she was too smashed to give rational consent (for whatever underlying reason.....regular boyfriend, husband, pure embarrassment because the bloke she shagged was a complete dork and her mates will laugh at her etc), and screams rape.....she is not suffering the results of his actions.....she is suffering the results of her own actions.

There is a difference between date rape and rape.....and the difference is that, with date rape, the individual victim does have the option not to be raped at all, if they engage brain..while rape is indiscriminate and not as easily avoided.

Rape is by no means natural, or acceptable...and I, and others, have never claimed it was.....but the definition of rape to include a change of mind when one sobers up is a PC construct delineated by feminists who appear to think that women are so sodding stupid that they have packed their brains away into the freezer and never use it...and men are natural predators who are not capable of controlling their penises.

 

Yes it does wreck her credibility...the boy who cried wolf...

Who knows what happened in the doluke lacrosse thing....but the coach had to resign over what turned out to be a false report. Speculation is a bunch of prick rich white boys treated as stripper like a slut. And then refused to pay and she could have got even by claiming rape....when there was no DNA evidence to back the claim....yet a coach and a bunch of kids had to leave Duke over this prior to it coming out she lied.

And the entire point of this thread is it isn't rape if its consentual.

 

Been waiting for you to respond, Gwen!

Sure as heck it is the man's responsibility not to rape a woman. However, the woman also has the responsibility not to lay herself out on a plate and allow the man to think she is easy game. There are expectations of responsibilities on both sides......that is called equality and is that not what feminists pretend to have been fighting for since we achieved equality.....but not enough to suit the feminists?.

Didn't expect anything else but that you'd be disgusted by my post , Gwen. In fact by all of my posts on this thread.

But I would appreciate it if your radical feminist proclivities would allow you to respond to what I actually say rather than how you interpret what I have said. I live in the real world, Gwen.....you appear to be still baying at the moon.

And spare a thought to the 3% to 9% of men who have had their lives trashed because of false rape accusations.

But that would assume that men had rights as well as women and I do not get the impression that radical feminists think they do.

I get the impression that you don't spare a thought for men, do you...I assume that if you lived in the UK, you would be one of those vengeful females who object to the alleged (ie not tried or proven) rapists, who get their names published all over the media, while the alleged victim gets anonymity? Where is the equality there?

Again, you are, from your radical feminist POV, misrepresenting my points......but I expected that from past experience..

The statistics were a separate point to really can't see why personal responsibility for your actions appears to have gone out the window nowadays for everybody......but particularly if you are female and can blame men for all your ills. The one has sod all to do with the other.

You can try twisting my words as much as you like....but, as a female, I am thoroughly embarrassed by the victim mentality the feminists are encouraging our young people to adopt to the exclusion of personal responsibility. Equality precludes the innate victim mentality, does it not?

See, Gwen..the above simply illustrates your somewhat irrational bias. All I did was say what worked for me in the 1960s...and given the younger generation now wear a lot less than we did..and given that all men haven't been either castrated, or had their mindsets altered in the intervening years, a bit of circumspection re clothing may be useful if only so that, come a court case, the alleged rapists lawyers can't say the victim dressed like a tramp and asked for it.

I live in a world where ideals are aims, but pragmatism and common sense are what works....and until we reach the ideal state when men change their mindset and stop raping, which, given the level of serial rapists won't be anytime soon..just what problem do you have with women dressing less provocatively and not getting smashed out of their skulls if it just might reduce the incidences of rape?

Or is that too sensible?

 

When a woman has a drug dropped into her cocktail and is taken away to someone's home and raped, that is rape.

 

If you walk like a duck, quack like a duck....you can't get mad if you are treated like a duck. There are plenty of ways to avoid putting yourself in bad situations....I don't want to get killed while on vacation...so maybe going to a place in the midst of a civil war for vacation.

You are absolutely right that a girl doesn't deserve to be raped because of her clothes, but would your daughteer be right, or not raped...

 

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

 

Yep........I agree with that.

I think it is what most people think of as date rape, though it appears that it is not as common as people think..or at least not here in the UK.

 

That's what I think of as daterape....but many are trying to call change your mind sex as date rape too and this is where this argument always comes to an impasse since people who hear me say daterspe is fake, thinks I imply that slipping a Mick is not rape and they never hear/read that I just don't agree with change your mind the next morning

 

Right. And men have no responsibility as always.

Don't engage with drunk one night stands and you'll be beyond recrimination.

What's that? It's too difficult for you? You are an opportunist who must behave like a dog in heat and jump on the bones of legless drunk women, even if they can barely talk?

Do the crime, do the time. You know if you go with someone in that state, it's your choice to take the risk.

 

But what is too drunk....I can agree if she's passed out... but 10 beer? 2 beer, a sip of nyquill?

How little alcohol before she is accountab/e for her own actions concerning sex....and you still haven't. Answered why she can be held dui accountable if she gets too drunk to drive, but not sex accountable?

 

No one is coercing one to drive drunk; someone is coercing someone into sexual interaction that isn't consensual.

The end.

 

And I notice you avoid answering that question by attacking my morals of having sex with a drunk woman....its simply avoidance.....answer why she can get a dui for. 08 while driving, but she can claim date rape with a man for the same level of drunk

 

And there is still choice...noone is forcing her to have sex. Should I lose my job also, if I convince a drunk girl to drunk dial her boss, too

 

Coercion is a form of force; I don't know your employer's response to such issues and I could careless.

Keep your posts in-line with discussion; such graphic posts will be reported.

 

So what level of drunkness am I not allowed to ask a girl for sex. You keep saying I shouldn't be able too, but noone has ever set the legal limit. You just can't arbitrarily make a rule with such serious consequences without defining the limit... its akin to removing all the speed limit signs and not telling motorists what the speed limit is until after you give them the ticket. And remember, every cop can determine what he defines as speeding

 

One where her judgment or ability to decline is impaired.

 

You're still avoiding.....where is there a limit set...what is it....