David Horowitz - Christians Face Danger In America

And here's reality, and from a secular Jew no less. David Horowitz says that Christians face real danger in America and that the secularists and leftists want to turn the US into a godless and heathen society where religion has no rule. USSR anyone? Horowitz is right and he lays it out in his book 'Dark Agenda: The War to Destroy Christian America.'

The efforts of the left to keep religion out of daily life keeps growing, such as eliminating school prayers and stopping public displays of faith. Yet this is the opposite of what our Founding Fathers intended. The first Amendment was to reassure the colonists, which all had at that time their own state denomination and persecuted anyone who worshipped differently, that the Federal government will not establish its own denomination and persecute them.

Yet today that original intent has been twisted, so that the Amendment which was put in place to protect all faiths and means of worship from persecution, has been turned into a tool by the left to attack and marginalize our religious freedoms.

Jefferson who was the Founder most heavily involved in the precepts of our Republic, was so against the fundamentalist and elitist parochialism prevalent at the time, that he established the University of Virginia as a trans - denominational school. It was a very progressive move, since all the Ivy League schools were seminaries of some denomination or another.

Yet contrary to current beliefs, and even considering there were chapels for each of the 4 main denominations in the Univ. of Va. at the time, attending services on Sunday in the Rotunda was compulsory - even as it was in most private institutions when I was young. Also tuition was free for anyone training to be a minister.

It's amazing how far we have gone from the very beliefs that founded and sustained this country.

The First Amendment prevents the government from prohibiting the free exercise of religion, but the left has attacked that clause. Jefferson acknowledged a wall of church-state separation, but all that meant was the state won’t make one religion like Anglicanism the official religion and persecute the other religions. The American Civil Liberties Union stood that reassurance on its head with “wall of separation between church and state” becoming a bumper-sticker slogan for leftists and secularists who want to silence religious people and marginalize their beliefs.

This war against Christianity is a war of the left, which is the Democratic Party, because Christian values are incompatible with the social justice delusions of the left. Everything about Christianity — the sanctity of the individual, the individual soul, individual accountability and equality — all these things are anathema to the left. Efforts to keep religion out of daily life continue to grow, such as school prayers and public displays of faith.It no longer respects equality.

The (Democratic Party) is a racist party. White people, males, and straight males are guilty before the fact, and people of color, women, and gays are innocent, even if the facts show they’re guilty.

I thought the persecution of Christians was a somewhat parochial issue. I [began having] sympathy for this community because the left is being so intolerant . . . Now I see it as a central battle. The country is at stake. The left wants a one-party state, you can see that. How can you have a resistance to a dually elected president? It’s sedition.

It’s treason, in the normal sense of the word, to obstruct a president. Everything that’s running the Democratic Party today is obstructionism. You can’t have a democracy if you don’t accept the legitimacy of an election. I mean, that is fundamental.

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Makes me wonder how many foreign countries will take in American asylum seekers who will claim that they are facing religious persecution?
Will we see multiple caravans of refugees heading south for the safety of the very christian South American countries.

 

You Christians sure talk about war a lot. Jesus had some thoughts on that.
"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men."

 

Save me, Mexico, from the Sam Harris's of America!

 

Countries become more secular over time as their population becomes better educated. Those countries do very well with less religion, which just goes to show there is no intrinsic value to religion for society.

 

Did you ever read the Bible the part where Jesus instructs how to pray to his Father in Heaven?
Then there is another passage that mentions to not pray in public?

 

What steaming cow dung.
The US has always been a bastion of freedom to worship whatever religion you choose to follow.
Pray to whatever you want, just don't expect to get a government subsidy to assist you. If you somehow manage to extract some
public money, expect, quite rightly, to have to return it and get slapped around for running afoul of the US Constitution.

Religious groups wailing about secular types infringing on their right to worship is as old as the Roman Empire.

 

Jesus was asked how to pray, and this is His answer:

Our Father Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name.
They Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth
as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who
trespass against us, and lead us not unto temptation
but deliver us from evil.

Anyway Jesus is saying not to be a hypocrite and pray in public so people will think you're devout and a righteous person, but to pray in secret. He also said that he who disowns Him before others, He will disown before His Father in heaven.

 

That's funny! I can see secular Europe taking in Christians. Muslims yes, Christians no.

Then again Russia will, that is if you're Slavic and want to retain your faith and heritage. They'll even give you free land. As for others, well they're in no mood for heretics, they've had enough problems in the past. You'll have to prove them otherwise.

 

Only Catholics.

 

Of course you didn't understand a word that was written, but that's to be expected?

 

In china the government throws religious people in jail

And freqently uses the prisioners for organ harvesting

Thats the sort of thing that secularism leads to

 

So you believe there was no intrinsic value to the concepts and virtues that this country was established on? Then you don't believe what Horowitz said about the sanctity of the individual, the individual soul and individual accountability and equality?

I guess we were conceived in ignorance then, and time for our self designated 'gods' to take over with their superior knowledge and pocketbooks - gained a la mafia style. But look, it's all for the greater good now isn't it? Soviet Union anyone?

Take that you fools of misery,
for we are gods of lofty see,
and dwellest not like folks below
who knowest not but what we show - Jeannette​

 

Do you understand the separation of church and state? A government entity cannot institute religious services for children. Also, would you be fine if we instituted Islamic prayer ceremonies in majority Muslim districts? Sound good to you?

 

Except when they force school children to attend mosques and pray to Allah.

 

What I meant was that countries thrive very well in the absence of religion. It's not necessary for success.

 

This country was established by killing and theft. Since when were those virtues exemplified by just communist?

 

Which countries were not?

 

None yet for some reason people think America was born out of the sea like Venus...

 

I think it was no worse than any other country of its time

Liberals make no sense when you treat events 500 years ago as if it were yesterday

 

It was in the time spectrum of the universe.

 

Imagine that - over two hundred years pass, and we've moved beyond the very beliefs that founded and sustained the country. Time marches on, people evolve and begin thinking for themselves, things change.

Christianity is doing just fine...a recent Harvard study showed that 70% of Americans identify as Christian (https://www.christianpost.com/voice/is-christianity-shrinking-in-america-yes-and-no.html).

 

If you say so

I dont even know what that means

 

The government is barred from certifying one religion as the “official” religion of the U.S. That is where the church vs. state line is drawn.

There is no government right to ban prayer in public schools or public religious displays.