Democrats Get Thier Piddly 88 billion in tax raises. What then?

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  1. Ronald0

    Ronald0 New Member

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    Touche. Had a bad eek at work, bad month actually so really don't want to get into this debate for many reasons but I think sadanie explained it quite well.
     
  2. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    VERY silly comment!
    As inspiring and true as the ORIGINAL comment was, yours makes no sense!
     
  3. darckriver

    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    I thought 1 to 1.5 trillion dollar deficits were the supposedly the result of temporary spending measures to battle the inherited Bush recession. It's now 4 years later and I don't see any new mega-stimulus packages or bailouts in the budget but we're still racking up trillion dollar deficits and spending above 3% GDP above the 40 year average.
     
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    What an ignorant post. I'm completely sick of liberals and their asinine lack of knowledge on these matters.
     
  5. SiliconMagician

    SiliconMagician Banned

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    Uh, no. That is the sick caricature that you built up in your mind to justify your rank ignorance and bigotry. Similar to how a klansman sees black people in the abstract.

    Same ignorance, same bigotry, different people.
     
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    Without question, Operation Enduring Freedom would have resulted in far more of our and our coalition force's deaths had we not employed artillery to pound the enemy out of fortified positions and into retreat. Without artillery, sniper deaths would have been massively larger. You need to listen to St.Michael.
     
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    It'll be interesting to see what kind of hit the market takes, if these tax hikes go through... whether it'll be a net loss or gain.

    With the way our government spends money, $88bil is just a drop of water in the bucket. And what's worse, is that we have no idea whether or not that $88bil will actually contribute to helping US, or if it'll simply contribute to wasteful spending.

    Here's one of my all time favorite Bill Whittle videos. In this vid, he draws a comparison between the spending of our government, and the wealth of our corporations, wealthiest citizens, etc, and how not even that wealth can touch the numbers our government generates in spending.

    Fast forward to 2:10
    [video=youtube;661pi6K-8WQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ[/video]
     
  8. Johnny-C

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    Let the Bush Tax Cuts EXPIRE!!

    (We'll go from there.)
     
  9. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay. . .you stated your opinion. . .but you didn't give me any factual reason why you think the tea party is "good."

    So, as always, when you don't have any way to refute a comment, you just go on the attack.

    That is obviously the best acknowledgement that you have NO ARGUMENT in your favor.
     
  10. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think we can all see who is the ignorant one here with that reply of yours... grow up


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    You have to wonder though, at what rate will spending increase over the next ten years?
     
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    I think you already know the answer to that question, the old say goes " give them a little, they will want more"

    Democrats want to max out the debit cards of the wealthy to pay for social spending, then they will consider austerity or spending cuts.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    From the military. CHOP CHOP!
     
  14. The Real American Thinker

    The Real American Thinker New Member

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    1) Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.
    2) Our 2012 military/defense budget is about $1.4 trillion. A little over 400 billion is not "cutting to the bone" our military/defense budget. In fact, we could use a few more cuts.
    3) Cutting our military/defense budget in half is not going to make our military useless, it actually has the potential to make it better.
    4) Why is it that military/defense and social welfare are the only spending cuts to make in the minds of Republicans and Democrats?
     
  15. Kurmugeon

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    Read up on the Cloward-Piven Strategy. Read up on the Green Movement’s plans to reduce world population.


    Also, Read Louis Farakan's works along with Rev. Wright and James Hal Cone.


    Obama Does have a plan, and so far he has been amazingly adept at getting ignorant, self-loathing, guilt-laden White Americans to assisting him in implementing it.


    It is not a new phenomenon. We see it today in Bill Gates scholarship program that blatantly discriminates against White Men, even though he is one. We saw it in some German Jewish people, in the period between WWI and WWII. We see it some Americans unreasoned support of HAMAS, despite the fact that they are a blatant terrorist group. It is a variant of Stockholm syndrome.


    Obama does not believe in the Green Movement, any more than he believes in the OWS anti-Capitalism 1960s Radicals movement. But Lisa Jackson and Bill Ayers and their friends are useful pawns in the efforts to achieve the BLT goals. In the end, he will sell out and betray both OWS and the Greens, but not before they’ve been thoroughly used up.


    You have it right, when you say that Republicans/Conservatives/Libertarians should step back and let Obama have whatever they want; this is key if we’re to save the country. We should not oppose their agenda in ANY way, in fact, we should fall all over ourselves in proclaiming that they won, they are not in charge, and for the next four years they are completely in control.


    It is one third of the solution to the mess we’re in, because it was the MSM and Dems ability Spin and “Blame Bush” and avoid accountability in 2012 that gave them around 1/6th of the votes which should have been solidly against his agenda.


    If we stand against the Dems agenda in any way, it will only hurt U.S. First, because we lack the Political, and more importantly, Voter Fraud, Power to stop them. Never give an order you cannot enforce, it makes you look weak, blind, and foolish. Second, because it gives them the ability to spin blame onto the Republican’s “Obstructionism” as the reason their Utopia was not achieved on schedule.


    But the Liberals are hardly invincible, their entire power base is built on three things; Institutionalized Racism, Voter Fraud, and Mis-Information Blame.


    With the right strategy, their house of cards can be toppled to nothing in a single four year Presidential Term.



    I ask you, what are the other two essential elements which must be achieved if we are to save America short of a complete fiscal collapse and civil war?


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  16. Ronald0

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    Pretty obvious isn't it? You don't need a military budget more than the next 1 nations combined. You only need a budget slightly higher than the next country on the list. Being separated by sea from almost every country, the US defense needs are even less. Military should only be for "defense" purposes only. All these fake conflicts need to be put an end to. Leave people alone and they will leave you alone. Countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan have more pressing problems than caring about your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing freedom and whether you have or do not have it.
     
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    "Military should only be for "defense" purposes only."

    Taxcutter says:
    That works if you embrace isolationism.



    "Leave people alone and they will leave you alone."

    Taxcutter says:
    They have not done so in the past. there's no reason to expect change.


    Countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan harbor anti-American terrorists.
     
  18. Ronald0

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    When was it done exactly? Countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan harbor anti-American terrorists because the US goes and does (*)(*)(*)(*)ty things in their backyard.

    What people like you propose is akin to calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't throw stones through your window.
     
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    I'd raise the taxes way more 50% on the top bracket above $250,000, rather than 39%-50%, Social Security payroll tax? Collect that on 100% of income, rather than just the 1st $110,000 (I make more than $110,000, so I'm volunteering), then penalize anyone trying to take money or business operations out of the country-attack the Caymans and places like it, CLAW BACK that money by force to reduce the deficit and pissss on Wall Street and guys like Mitt, then cut the military 50% at least, we'd still be 10 times stronger and safer than anyone else, and less likely to go on worthless wars, like Iraq or Afghanistan. Do a STIMULUS, yes a KEYNSIAN STIMULUS to create government run infrastructure projects that last at least a GENERATION, institute a targeted Industrial Policy, thats just my start... Austerity does NOTHING for us, investement WON'T, that is WON'T spring up just because govt. spending is cut, just MORE SUPPLIY SIDE FAIRY TALES ...create jobs, you know why? because Government CAN CREATE JOBS, morons say they can't, but THEY CAN. Then really reform Wall Street SEVERELY limit what they are allowed to do and make creating jobs INSIDE THE USA and not profit for themselves and their investors as #1.
     
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    That will stop when we become a NUETRAL NATION and end our parasitic relationship to Israel, why do we support them, WHAT DO WE GET FROM THAT RELATIONSHIP?....I mean besides MAJOR PROBLEMS?
     
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    And certainly not you, that's just become apparent.
     
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    Pithy useless statement, if Sanders votes with the Democrats 98% of the time.

    Cutting our education and social services budget in half is not going to make them useless, it actually has the potential to make them better.

    Push something else.
     
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    Hypocrisy. The answer to your ridiculously uninformed question was so easy and instantaneously available that several posters threw it at you immediately, and you didn't have anything for them.

    Your post was ignorant on its face.:boo:
     
  25. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol, keep trying, not sure why you want to bring attention back to your comments, but here we go

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...on-tax-raises-what-then-6.html#post1061979628
     

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