DeSantis suspends Tampa prosecutor who vowed not to criminalize abortion

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure. Same to you. Get back to me as soon as you learn.
     
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    In that same letter that he put his signature on, he did say he would look at a case-by-case basis. But that letter was political, which means, the whole decision is political on DeSantis's part.

    Whether one puts their signature on a letter or speaks publicly, DeSantis has the intention of firing anyone and everyone who disagrees with him.
     
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    I don't see that in the text of the letter.
    https://www.fox13news.com/news/andrew-warren-suspension-whats-next
    You'll have to cite your sources.
     
  4. Alwayssa

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    So when conservative sheriffs say that they won't back any federal or state gun laws, is that acting lawfully? Yes or no Zorro?

    So where in HB5, 241 does it say that a woman or a physician should be arrested if they perform an abortion?

    I have found none in the current law, which DeSantis was quoting BTW.

    You do realize that is exactly what Chief Prosecutor Warren was arguing when he signed that letter. If he feels it the law is unconstitutional, then shouldn't he not be compelled to enforce that law, given the legal options he has under said law?

    You can't have it both ways and you will need to choose one. Otherwise, all you are doing is acting like a donkey following the carrot over the cliff.
     
  5. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. He is the most authoritarian politician in US at this time.
     
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    It's not a vis-a-vis statement, but it is in the letter. From the letter, it says, "But we stand together in our firm belief that prosecutors have a responsibility to refrain from using "limited criminal legal system resources" to criminalize personal medical decisions." What I highlighted in bold is legalese for stating case by case basis.

    For instance, a homicide happens, the detectives have exhausted all leads, and still do not have any persons of interest or suspects. Should the DA continue to pursue this vigorously as if the homicide happened yesterday? No, a decision would be made to put this in the cold case file until new leads come forth. The same is with anything on personal medical decisions, privacy so to speak, in which the resources used to investigate, arrest, and prosecute would outweigh the alleged crime. Sheriffs, police departments, and prosecutors do this all the time. 99% of this never reaches the public. Other examples would be not convicting an admitted drug user and dealer because he knew exactly the person, saw it, and will testify to that effect, if charges are not made, and has the attorney to do so. Otherwise, the confession is the only thing with no physical evidence. 60% of the time, the jury will find reasonable doubt if the defendant has a decent attorney.
     
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    There is one person, for a day or two, that was in the US who is more authoritarian than DeSantis is.
     
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    You lifted the highlighted portion of the letter out of context. That's intellectually dishonest.
     
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    It is not out of context, it is how legalese works in this country.
     
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    Enjoy your day.
     
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    LOL
    trump resides there. So there goes that theory.
     
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    I’m glad he fired a guy who refused to uphold the laws created by the people their state elected.
     
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    Why are you still lost? This isn't that difficult.

    He's free to hold and voice that opinion,
    DeSantis free to suspend him for not enforcing the law.
    He's free to take the issue to Court and/or demand a Senate trial.

    There are a number of laws Warren refuses to prosecute; abortion, crimes, even illegal gender mutilation of minors.

    “If the law conflicts with your idiosyncratic vision of social justice,” that doesn’t mean you have veto power over the law."

    Well Beyond Prosecutorial Discretion, The Soros Clown Was Engaged In Illegitimate Nullification:
    Warren’s actions are “beyond exercising discretion when you make an individual case and decide it shouldn’t be prosecuted.”

    “Where it goes across the line is when it’s being used to nullify what the legislature has done.”
     
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    I don’t think people are as pro abortion as you seem to believe
     
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    I don't believe any conservative Sheriff has said that. You've been fed a lie somewhere along the way and now you're regurgitating it, to the detriment of your credibility.
     
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    The majority of Americans are pro-abortion with restrictions.
    Not the current wave of restrictions,6 weeks and/or the no abortion except for rape/incest/mother's health.
    You have legislatures who've just tried to pass no abortion for anything. ​
     
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    In a video message Sunday, Warren said DeSantis is "trying to overthrow democracy in Florida" and added he is "not going down without a fight" following his suspension as Hillsborough state attorney.
    Andrew Warren says he will pursue legal action after Gov. Ron DeSantis suspended him last week as Hillsborough County State Attorney.

    In a strongly worded video posted on his Facebook page, Warren said DeSantis is "trying to overthrow democracy" and is "trying to overturn the results of a fair and free election."

    Warren also accused DeSantis of "abusing his power to serve his own political ambition."

    “I’m not going down without a fight," Warren says in the video. "I’m a former federal prosecutor, the duly elected State Attorney, a native Floridian, and a proud American. I refuse to let this man trample on your freedoms to speak your mind, to make your own healthcare decisions, and to have your vote count.”


    In a news release, Warren — who has been elected twice as state attorney — said he was escorted from his office by an armed Hillsborough County deputy and was not able to address his 300 staff members following his suspension.


    "He came down to Tampa — to Hillsborough County — to illegally remove me as part of some political circus," Warren says in the video. "He did it because he wants to throw women and their doctors in jail based on a law that has already been found to violate Florida’s Constitution. He did it because he wants to enforce a law that discriminates against our LGBTQ community — a law that, at this point, doesn’t even exist. We won’t let him get away with it."

    In the release, Warren says he is assembling a legal team to mount a "vigorous defense" and will announce his plans "in the coming days."
     
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    Shoulda tried the old search engine thingy,

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    So, this prosecutor was defying the elected legislature.
    Scofflaw prosecutors are anti-democratic.
     
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    Prosecutors have always been permitted discretion in who and what they prosecute.
     
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    States Attoneys do not get to make or selectively prosecute laws.

    Not their job. Just like judges legislating from the bench.

    Want to be an activist from your position of power? Then lose that position.

    If the residents of Florida desire to allow abortion, they will elect the candidates that support that. The way its SUPPOSED to be.
     
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    All you have are cheap fallacious talking points.

    Nothing more.

    Just filling the forum with garbage.
     
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    Why is the left so opposed to laws and government operating as it was designed?
     
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    with freedom and equal rights for all? seems to be the right that is against that, not the left
     
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    You don't just get to make up rights as convenient to your agenda.

    Nothing in the Constitution nor inherent rights allows killing another human being, even if it's inside another person's body.

    Your creating that right from thin air.
     
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