DeSantis tells CPAC to 'put on full armor of God,' says 'shield of faith' will protect them from the

No, they don't need to do anything of the sort. You need to be concerned with your own business and leave others to their business.

 

It's not the Republican's fault that their sane and reasonable policies on immigration happen to attract the support of people who are racist.

Just like it's not the Democrat's fault that their more liberal social views on sexuality also happen to be attractive to certain perverted and totally wacky subgroups in the population.

In a two party system, pretty much every faction with any belief ends up finding a place on either side, even if that side only embraces them hesitatingly and reluctantly.

 

You are correct, it is not their fault for attracting unwanted supporters. It is their fault for not completely condemning them however — and even more so when politicians actually speak at their rallies.

 

Can your side actually say this with a straight face, with all that BLM stuff that has recently gone on?

Not only that, but I think there is a big difference between "thoughts and feelings" and actual end outcomes. Good intentions and pleasant-sounding feelings are not always good enough to have good outcomes. Even if one party embraced people who had reprehensible ideas, we also have to look at how those ideas would actually manifest and whether they would even be able to result in anything bad. Otherwise I'm not sure how relevant they are.

 

So I should leave others to their business when it involves them trying to revoke my rights?

Hahaha. No.

 

If you really believed that, it's hard to believe you would support Progressive Democrats.

Guess the question is what rights in particular are you actually concerned about.

The "right" to cast a vote without an ID or having to prove who you are?

 

I do support some progressive policy but much of it paints an unrealistic idea of what can be done within the confines of financial limits and with human nature.

Just because I think the Republican Party had gone off the rails and more resembles a cult devoid of actual identity does not mean I am a progressive.

As to rights, I am a proponent of equal rights and no discrimination within entities that receive distribution of taxpayer funds. Marriage rights, bodily autonomy (ie abortion and drug policy) and eliminating public funds going towards entities that allow discrimination (ie religious schools and AA).

To the voting field, I strongly support voter ID but it should something that is automatically issued upon eligibility and verified via a national system at no cost. I would love to see electronic verification and even voting if it could be done securely. I support ending partisan gerrymandering and eliminating FPTP.

 

Why? Sending funds to entities that discriminate does not necessarily perpetuate discrimination. For example, if Medicare funds went to pay for patients being treated at a Catholic hospital that refused to perform transgender operations, the transgender could just go to a different hospital and the government would pay for it somewhere else. It would not cause discrimination against them.

Not only that, but you can still giving funding to religious schools, but just not give them the portion of funding that would pay for the things you don't agree with. For example, if they only want to hire Catholic teachers, government would not pay for the teacher salaries, if they want to teach special religious classes, government would not pay for those classes, but would pay for the other classes.

 

Because their taxpayer funds are being used to fund entire that will deny them service.

You trying to excuse it is why I cannot support Republican policy as discrimination is a substantial portion.

 

What you call "discrimination" is freedom of choice.
Of course I do not want public taxpayer money used on discrimination, but we should not take away rights from individuals or organizations.
If we tax people to pay for things (like health or education), they should have the right which venues that money goes to.

Refusing to give any taxpayer money to an organization just because they do one thing that we do not like is more like a "war".

That was my point. Taxpayer funds can be given to these organizations and that money will NOT be used to deny them service.

It's like how those on the Progressive Left claim taxpayers can give money to Planned Parenthood without supporting abortion.

 

Today he (DeSantis) ridiculed / mocked high school kids face to face because they wore a mask in his presence.

“I mean, please take them off. Honestly, it’s not doing anything and we gotta stop with this COVID theater. So, if you want to wear it, fine, but this is ridiculous.” - Ron "mini-me" DeSantis
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article258980253.html#storylink=cpy

 

In my personal opinion, it's not so "obviously" wrong as some might think. Let's not resort to emotional knee-jerk reactions. The only possible logical way to analyze this is through some math... which most people do not want to do.

 

And people have the freedom to do whatever they want until they start using my money.

None is being taken

They have the right for money to be used for the public benefit, not exclusively for their club. They can fund that with their own money. Taxes are a pool not an individual fund.

Then war it is. I don’t care. I will fight against any policy that allows taxpayer money to be funneled to organizations that discriminate against the taxpayers paying said bills. You support discrimination I do not. We will just have to part ways on this idea.

That makes zero sense.

Planned parenthood does not discriminate against specific groups of people. I didn’t say people shouldn’t have to fund programs they don’t agree with, I said programs that openly discriminate against them shouldn’t receive taxpayer funds.

 

What does your math tell you? That's its ok to mock children because its what the base wants?

 

O course. Interfering with others is reserved for liberals. Liberals rule, conservative peasants "know your place"

 

Ironic seeing that you are the one arguing that evangelicals should have the right to subjugate other. But as a person afflicted by spiritual delusions I guess that should be expected.

 

No, I did not say they have a right to subjugate others. I've said they have a right to their beliefs and a right to express those beliefs. Just as you have that right. How the hell are they going to subjugate someone by expressing their beliefs?

 

So they don't try to make laws of their beliefs eh?

Dream on. They want to control anyone who doesn't believe what they believe and pass laws to deny rights, liberty, and the right to the pursuit of happiness. They don't value the Constitution above their so-called "god laws".

 

What's you're problem with that? This is a democratic republic in which we all have a right to advocate for government policies we favor. How about if we shut down YOUR right to advocate for policies YOU like? Does that work for you?

 

Clearly he didn’t stay one. Are you suggesting that one born and raised as an atheist into adulthood who becomes a Christian will always be considered an atheist even if they live the rest of their lives and die as a Christian?

 

That is their bottom line which is why we heartland America First Americans are in open rebellion against and show outright defiance against bi coastal secular progressive urban elites.

 

You kind of did

I said “Then conservative evangelicals need to stop moving from group to group subjugate and attack using their chosen religion as a basis…”

You replied “No, they don't need to do anything of the sort…”

I have no issues with people believing any fairytale they want to believe in, when that stops is when they demand others comply or honor those beliefs. I will push for equality, nothing less, nothing more.

 

Would you still be saying this if there was a serious movement by Muslims to institute a policy to round up all evangelicals and execute them as betraying their faith?

 

Not so good.



https://www.npr.org/sections/health...isinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

 

Execute? No, I wouldn't defend any group advocating that. I have to say though, I don't know any Christian group advocating that.