DeSantis vs Free Speech

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Half or less accurate. It was mostly the legislature who threatened to remove Disney's special tax district (they are the only body that can do such a thing.) However, Desantis did not disagree and encouraged it, and that, as I said in another post, is a bridge way too far and wrong. None the less your accusation was taking away their freedom of speech, which you repeated in your very next post and which is flat out false, and that the new law is anti-gay which you also repeated in your very next post after that and which is also flat out false.
     
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    Now you are just flailing about, yowling, and arm waving.
     
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    The special privileges should be revoked based on what they are. Let's just realize that these privileges feel outdated and are now being abused. Allowing Disney to regulate it's space free from state policy.

    That's a problem. If Disney doesn't want to listen to State policy or use it's platform to oppose state policy then it does risk retaliation.

    I don't see a problem. And if this isn't a problem then States who disagree with Biden's federal policy should just simply ignore it.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    This was new news for me and very informative. Thanks.
     
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  5. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump was far more Reagan like than any Republican president or candidate since Coolidge. Recall the GOP in the 80s were not really Reagan fans.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL . Reagan talked about a shiny city on a hill, while Trump saw nothing but carnage. Reagan promoted optimism, while Trump promoted division, anger, conspiracies, profanities, personal attacks, paranoia of the media. Reagan was about the Unites States and Trump was 100% about himself.

    After his presidency Reagan said "I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life. I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead.” He believed in the US.

    When Trump left, he said the nation was going to hell in a handbasket, but the truth is that it went to hell in 2020 when he was in office. He believed only in himself.

    Trump is Reagan in reverse, - the opposite of him. McCain was Reagan conservative, as is Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney, and Trump hates them all.

    When Reagan made a mistake, he owned it, while Trump ALWAYS blamed someone else.
     
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    Disney's right to protest is the same as yours. They can also work to repeal the "Parental Rights in Education" bill. No one is stopping them. Florida also has the right to discontinue Disney's special tax allowance. Why should the good people of Florida help support a company run by perverts?
    Two Ohio House Republicans introduced a bill on Monday similar to Florida’s recently signed Parental Rights in Education law that would ban instruction regarding sexual orientation and gender identity for kindergarten through third grade.
    Looks like Ohio likes the Florida bill.
     
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    I think progressives may have to learn the hard way NOT to **** with children. I don't think many progressive parents want strangers to freely bring up sexuality with their k-grade 3 children.

    Nor do they care much for the CRT ****.

    So this is a beauty hill for progressives to die on. And I fully support it.
     
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    Fortunately a lot of other red states are copying Florida to protect their 5-8 year olds from woke progressive groomers.
     
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    You can examine how "stupid" they are in a thread that you open. The whole point of THIS thread is that, regardless what the privileges are, keeping them or removing them should not be conditioned on denying people their freedom to speak.. There used to be partisan agreement on this. But that was before fascists took the Republican Party.
     
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    Well when that those ridiculous privileges are the foundation of your entire outrage, I think it's safe to flush this thread down the toilet as a nothing burger.
     
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    In your wildest dreams.
     
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    I did not cite Vanity Fair. I cited DeSantis. The Vanity Fair link was included in case anybody wanted to see his exact words.
     
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    Your own citation of the Vanity Fair article undermines/undercuts your narrative. It was actually funny that you would include it.
     
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    I assume you meant that as a compliment to both men. Neither deserve to be complimented.
     
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    You mean like the Democrats and leftists pushing hard to get social media to ban any conservative-like speech they didn't like???
     
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    Why does opposition to a bill passed for political purposes, that solves no problem, that's only purpose is to create controversy, make Disney, or anyone else, perverts?
     
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    It's not a matter of liking or disliking what they want banned. It's a matter of factual accuracy. No one should want to have social media platforms become vehicles for spreading lies like Trump has.
     
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    It was and was meant to be a simple statement of fact. By neither do you mean Trump, Reagan, and/or Coolidge?
     
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    So threatening Disney with removing their privileges if they don't shut up and stop criticizing homophobic laws is not taking away their freedom of speech?

    That's ridiculous but, I'm curious, if that were the case... then why would you consider it "... a bridge way too far and wrong"?
     
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    Seeing what was once the Grand Old Party in the hand of fascists, and many of their followers desperately trying to find excuses does tend to exasperate some of us. I admit it....
     
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    "The Walt Disney Company issued a statement vowing to help repeal the controversial legislation. "Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that." " from LatestLY.

    Doesn't sound like it's speech Disney is trying to protect. Doesn't sound like it's speech that Florida is thinking about stifling.
     
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    What does it sound like to you when DeSantis threatens to harm Disney financially for speaking out against the bill?
    What if Biden were to make a similar threat against Koch Industries for positions it took?
     
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  25. Golem

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    I don't think something like promoting voodoo remedies in the middle of a deadly pandemic is "conservative-like speech". I think it's more "fascist-like". That would be material for a whole different thread. But it looks like YOU think they are equivalent.

    And you still fail to explain why you claim it's "crossing the line" and "wrong" if you don't think they infringe on Disney's first amendment rights.
     

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