DeSantis vs Free Speech

I already mentioned this in another thread. But most people decided to ignore it and go the route of debating DeSantis' homophobic "Don't say Gay" ban.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/desantis-authoritarian-dont-say-gay-ban.598611/

But here is the question: Are libertarians and right-winger here fine with DeSantis threatening to use the power of government to keep the people at Disney from exercising free speech?

That is what authoritarians in government do. I remember when it was a no-no in the Republican Party. Looks like in the Party of Trump it's ok, though.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...eatens-disney-over-dont-say-gay-law-criticism

And please skip ridiculous responses like "Disney shouldn't have those privileges". This is not about removing or keeping them. This is about the fact that the REASON DeSantis wants to remove them, is that they criticized his piece of garbage legislation.

 

'm not aware that DeSantis forbade Disney from commenting. He just exercised HIS right to tell them they were full of crap.

 

Disney has every right to say and do what they want. Their employees have the right to work or to choose not to work for Disney. In addition customers have the right to do or to not to do business with Disney.

Such is the result of businesses getting involved in politics.

 

"In the mid-1960s, the Walt Disney World Company proposed building a recreation-oriented development on 25,000 acres of property in Central Florida. The property sat in a remote area of Orange and Osceola County, so secluded that the nearest power and water lines were 10-15 miles away. Neither Orange nor Osceola County had the services or the resources needed to bring the project to life.

In 1967 the Florida State legislature, working with Walt Disney World Company, created a special taxing district – called the Reedy Creek Improvement District – that would act with the same authority and responsibility as a county government."

The govt giveth and the govt taketh away.

Disney has as much right to act as its own govt as I do ...which is precisely zero. But apparently Disney has extra privileges that I don't. This is what happens when govt provides us a privilege: it can be -and usually is- revoked on a whim. The whim in this case (and most cases) being when you voice disagreement with the govt.

Disney is welcome to secede if they don't like it. I support the right of secession for all, including Disney. I also support the right for all of us to act as our own government. But that isn't likely to happen either.

Disney was afforded a special privilege by the State of Florida. Special privileges denote a special relationship. If Disney doesn't want that special relationship anymore, then it doesn't get the special privileges anymore (and really shouldn't ever have anyway).

Methinks Desantis is simply reminding them of that.

Is it wrong? Probably. But no more wrong than any other authority the govt exercises, and no more wrong than granting Disney (and no one else) this special privilege in the first place.

 

I have no problem with the bill, Disney can say whatever they like, government employees cannot.

DeSantis should run for President.

 

Why are you calling the law "garbage legislation"? It was passed by the Florida lawmakers and supported by majority Floridians. Explain why it's "garbage" to give parents more rights over K-3 children than teachers? The radical liberals and perverts are working overtime to demean the bill but It ain't working. And Disney is not just criticizing the bill they are trying to overturn it. That won't work either. I feel bad for Walt.

 

The Florida law you're referring to said nothing about prohibiting any type of free speech. Also, it's unclear what you think Desantis wants to remove. He has never said anything that implies Disney should not have freedom of speech.

 

No, DeSantis is an authoritarian who uses the authority if his office to cram his pseudo-conservative / populist / authoritarian nonsense down everyone's throat. Cruise lines threatened to leave the State because his government went after them, his government went after teachers and schools during Covid, his government went after social media, his government went after the voting districts in order to suppress voting rights, then his government went after schools over race, LGBT and now he is going after Disney, - the largest private sector employer in Florida.

He is an anti-business authoritarian populist, whose top priority is to create as much division as possible, because that is what his base wants.

The current GOP is unrecognizable from the party of Reagan.

 

They should pack up an leave then.
The parks becoming more of a liability anyway. They make more money digitally.
Then that can be DeSantis legacy, he killed Disney world and took away all those tourist dollars and jobs.

 

I would cheer if Disney Pervert World and Universal Pervert Studios left the state.

 

It will hurt more than just Orlando and Disney, because Disney also benefits the hotel, restaurant industry and Cruise industry (people book Disney + cruise packages), and it will reduce overall tourism in the whole State. We're talking about LOT of jobs.

Would you also cheer all the jobs leaving the State?

 

Hey, it's all on DeSantis. Corporations have packed up for much less offenses of government intrusion.

If I moved to a state for tax benefits, and the right to manage my own property as a personal government, and they take that away...Why remain and give them tax dollars? They still have a park in cali, and other parts of the world.

 

If you feel like a pervert going there, then that is a personal issue.

Don't get people started on beauty pageants.

 

Yes, they will consider other options. When the State becomes openly hostile, then why stay? Cruise lines were serious about re-locating when DeSantis went after them. Fortunately Covid died away before they moved, but now that the idea is in their heads, they might still think about moving to the Bahamas or some other port if they can save money. If big tech was in Florida and DeSantis raved against them the way he does, they'd be moving out too.

 

Let me get this straight

They are FOR “free speech” when it means forcing Twitter and Facebook to carry the messages they like but AGAINST “free speech” when it comes to classrooms and Disney?

 

What a great opportunity Disney has created for others that wish to create a more sane and safe environment for children. Looks like a great time to invest in Six Flags, Sea World, and even Williamsburg, if the kids are old enough. No parent wants to take the chance that Pinoccio's old man might grope their child or you might turn around and find an old man grounds keeper talking sex with your four year old daughter.

 

My thought exactly and the Disney Corp is rich enough that it could buy a big swathe of land in a neighbouring state like Alabama and decamp to there. I am sure Alabama would be more than thrilled with the income

 

It has nothing to do with free speech, and everything to do with "tickling the ears" of the base.

As soon as they get the base to parrot a new talking point, DeSantis starts to push for new laws to make them happy. He never stops to think what's best for the State as whole. If his hostilities drive mega businesses out of the State, it will be VERY bad for Florida as whole.

 

It would be a good trade-off. Right now Florida has more job openings than can be filled. Every business has "Now Hiring" signs out. DeSantis is doing a great job leading the state. Can you say President DeSantis.

 

So, you want to drive these corporations out of Florida so the employees can take jobs cutting grass and waiting tables.

The mind of a political apologist is a mysterious place.

 

Good luck getting the building permits for that garbage without those perks.
The liability alone will never make it worth it.
Digital VR is the sad future now.
Or just hit up a snow park, and have real fun.

 

I guess we should be glad that his method of governing (or shall I say campaigning) is so transparent.

 

Rofl that's not because of DeSantis, nationwide there are more job openings. After all Trump and his stay at home incentives are gone.
But I guess you will have your way, cause soon those jobs may get filled by former Disney employees in that state. Then Republicans can get back to paying min wage, in Florida's jobless market.

 

They wont pack up and leave. Profits are more important to Disney than speech.

 

The park won't be as profitable without its perks. It may expose them to more liability risks that outway profit potential. Like I said, corporations have packed up for less intrusions.