DeSantis Authoritarian "Don't say Gay" ban.

The one and only defense I have seen from right-wing media for DeSantis' homophobic bill is "You can still say the word 'gay'" For goodness sake! Are they not understanding what's going on, or just not paying attention? I'm guessing they hope their audience is the one not paying attention.

Florida is (not so) slowly becoming a fascist state. Its fascist governor now conditions economic advantages that were awarded decades ago to a company like Disney on their not criticizing this bigoted bill.

Sounds to me like it has gotten so bad, that Fox (or somebody in the Fox echo-chamber) has convinced some people that teachers are instructing kids about sexual acts. They obviously aren't.

Here is what the bill says "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate.”

Sexual orientation has NEVER been taught in K-3. What is mentioned sometimes, when the circumstances demand it, is that people who are attracted to others of their own sex is perfectly normal. That their classmate who has two mothers or two fathers is in a household just as full of love as any other. Or that if a male classmate likes to play with dolls, or use female ornaments, that's perfectly fine. In other words, that it's OK to be who you are.

They are taught about self-esteem and about LOVE. Only a very corrupt mind (like DeSantis') would imagine that any of this is about sexual acts.

Explaining that this is normal at an early age is very relevant for many reasons. To prevent bullying, for example. Some kids are taught at home that being gay is "bad". It's the teachers job to educate. Therefore they must CORRECT that. Just like, if at home kids were taught that 2+2=5, teachers need to correct it.

So the nickname the law received is correct: If teachers are not even allowed to mention gender identity, they are not allowed to say the word "gay" as it relates to that topic. But that's not the most relevant aspect. What is most important is that they are not being allowed to teach that love between two people has nothing to do with their gender, that homes with same sex parents are homes full of love, and that there is nothing wrong with any child who feels they identify with interests typically associated with the opposite sex. And that they should not be bullied for it.

 

How many of these support for ideological grooming threads are you going to create? And the fact that you continue to purposefully lie about both the content and effect of the bill tells us what? Are you so determined that teachers unions can use their positions to groom K-3 graders into believing in a concept that frankly they can't understand is somehow going to harm your future prospects?

I can't for the life of me understand why you think the state is the only master for kids these days. I get you are intolerant and inflexible in your determination that only the state can indoctrinate the kids in a way that eventually refills your depleted ranks of fascist ideologues, but at least in this country, government doesn't get to have that role. And thank god folks, like you, who would legislate their own morality or lack there of, is redressable. I reread your tag line. Since you din't actually research anything here, perhaps you'd like to remove or otherwise modify that smarmy bs....

 

It doesn't sound any different than CRT being spun as "teaching hate".

They aren't interested in tolerance and acceptance so efforts to stop the bigotry and bullying have to be met with resistance.

The part I don't understand is the more children feel accepted and have their questions answered in an age-appropriate way, the less likely they will become depressed and potentially suicidal or homicidal. Since the 2As don't want to talk about ways to stop school shootings by addressing who has access to weapons, it seems reasonable that they should or would consider how to help kids NOT get to that point. <shrugs>

 

What the f... hell are you talking about? What "concept"?

 

Last time I looked, schools don't have "teaching tolerance" in their charters as outcomes of their instruction that they own students.

 

But the law has no bigotry. It is a parent's rights law. It gives power to parents to affect what is taught in public schools. The word gay doesn't even appear in the law. I hope you aren't trying to convince people that public schools are better parents than actual parents. Why do you oppose the idea of limiting school curricula to academic subjects? Why do you support public schools teaching political ideology?

 

WHAT right are you talking about?

Why can't right-wingers speak clearly? Is it because they know they are wrong, so they try to hide what it is they are talking about?

 

Oh, you don't get to run away now... Grooming little kids via use of indoctirnational reading and picture books is the focus of the parental outrage, and no amount of "what? I didn't know that" bs is going to make folks not see what your actual intent is here. Had you simply read the bill, and not just the talkingpointmemo bs, you might not have embarrassed yourself like this. But this, literally, is a thread you created, defending the right of the state to indoctrinate kids with your version of "tolerance" which looks to many of us like calculated grooming of prepubescent kids. Perhaps you could actually read the statute, and understand why your representation of it is so off.. I doubt you will though, all that research my ass bs.... LMAO....

 

So gay people are shooting up schools?

 

Perhaps you can reconcile yourself with the 10th amendment. We can wait.... And once you're through with that, there is a shyte ton of court precedent that you might want to make yourself aware of.

 

Tell me you didn't read the bill without telling me you didn't read the bill.

 

Sure read that way, didn't it....

 

What "picture books" and "groom" little kids for WHAT?

Why can't you speak clearly? Are you this embarrassed of supporting a homophobic position that you can't speak clearly?

 

I QUOTED the bill on the OP. Read it!

 

Again, playing ignorant here is not going to cut it. This is your assertion that you are all knowing and you "researched" this and all. And now you can't even begin to answer substantive challenge to your BS. So typical. As a community member, and the fact that I don't consider the bill to be homophobic, perhaps you'd like to restate the last part there. Should I use the left's own standard here, if ya ain't a member of the class/minotiry, ya don't get to express an opinion. Should we play that game?

 

So school should be like lord of the flies. Got it.

 

Is that what you think? I don't, but it is your assertion after all. Far be it from me to change your mind...

Why can't we just rely on parents to ensure that their children are well mannered and behaved and ready to learn? Too much to ask from the liberal victimhood?

 

Um because we can't, back up plans are necessary.

 

So you make up some idiotic conspiracy about teachers "grooming" kids, and you can't even say for what...

At least it's clear that you are embarrassed about it. I mean since you can't bring yourself to SAY ... whatever it is.

 

Back up plans are unwanted and intrusive and they will be rejected passionately as parents have this crazy desire to protect their children

You keep pushing this and it will cost you 2024.

 

I think you're missing the point (and I say so not wanting to offend you). It isn't that people want teachers to be teaching about sex, it is that they don't believe that children (K-3) ARE being taught about sex. It is something that has Republicans all wound up and they are believing that their young children are being taught something that they actually aren't. THAT'S the point - that deSantis is making a meal out of this, taking credit for stopping something that never occurred in the first place.

 

How are you rationalizing that mentioning people that are attracted to others of the same sex, is not a discussion about sexual orientation?

It seems to me like these two concurrent sentences directly contradict each other.

While I personally have no problem with homosexuality, there are those that do not want their children being told that homosexuality is perfectly normal, which is absolutely their right as parents. 3rd grade and younger is far too young for such a complex topic. Let them remain children for a bit longer. Hence you have this law. You have made a perfect argument for why this law is needed. While I have no problem with homosexuality, I too do not want this subject being broached by their 3rd grade ( or younger) teacher.

 

You can certainly do that. Just home-school your child. Children who attend a REAL school and are taught that children have some "hidden agenda" to "groom kids" into becoming something you are too embarrassed to even mention, should be CORRECTED in school. The same way that they should be corrected in school if a parent teaches them that 2+2=5

 

Elementary, jr high, and high school taught me NO you can't rely on parents.

 

Geez Golem can't you your insane, would be master class wait until kids hit puberty before you start trying to make sex objects out if them? All the bill bans is talking to pk through 3 grade kids about their genitalia, which only perverts would be doing anyway if the teachers union hadn't completely lost its mind. No damn wonder that close to 80% of kids growing up in big blue cities can't read on grade level, or do basic math. There trying to teach them everything on God's green earth but the three things they need reading writing, and arithmetic and most of it years before there able to affectively process the information.