Died in Their Sleep Days After Receiving Second COVID-19 Vaccine

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    Let's have a look at Australia's health ministers and Chief Health Officers during the plandemic and currently holding office and...
    The states and territories puppets.
    NT
    Chief Minister

    Out –– Michael Gunner, Oops - Just another politician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gunner
    In –––– Natasha Fyles, Oops - Just another politician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Fyles
    Chief Medical Officer
    In
    –––– Dr Hugh Heggi, General Practitioner/Pharmacist https://healthpages.wiki/wiki/Dr_Hugh_Heggie_(GP)

    Queensland
    Minister for Health and Ambulance Service

    In ––– Yvette D'Ath, Oops - Just another politician https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Members/Current-Members/Member-List/Member-Details?id=1854744040
    Chief Health Officer

    Out ––– Dr Jeannette Young, Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannette_Young
    In ––– Dr John Gerrard, the first to have something notable, Microbiology. https://www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/health-system/key-people/chief-health-officer

    NSW
    Minister For Health

    In –––– Brad Hazzard, Oops - Just another politician, this tool has a Master's in science, woohoo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Hazzard
    Chief Health Officer
    In ––– Dr Kerry Chant, Bachelors of Medicine and Surgery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Chant

    ACT
    Minister for Health

    In ––– Rachel Stephen-Smith, Studied Economics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Stephen-Smith
    Chief Health Officer
    In ––– Kerryn Coleman, Public Health https://au.linkedin.com/in/kerryn-coleman-779baa30?original_referer=https://yandex.com/

    Vic
    Minister for Health

    In ––– Mary-Anne Thomas, Oops, Just another politician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Mikakos
    Out ––– Jenny Mikakos, Oops - Just a low-life politician who misappropriated funds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Mikakos

    Tas
    Minister for Health
    Chief Medical Officer
    In
    Out

    In ––– Michelle O'Byrne, Oops - Just another politician https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/315514
    Out ––– Sarah Courtney, Oops - Just another politician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Courtney
    Chief Health Officer
    In ––– Mark Veitch, an impressive list of qualifications, yet there are two ingredients missing. https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=qJCLZgUAAAAJ&hl=en

    SA
    Minister for Health
    In ––– Chris Picton, Oops - Just another politician https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/...+us/about+sa+health/our+minister/our+minister
    Chief Health Officer
    In
    ––– Professor Nicola Spurrier - Bachelor in Medicine and Surgery also a diploma in epidemiology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Spurrier

    WA
    Minister for Health
    In
    ––– Amber-Jade Sanderson same boring politician stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber-Jade_Sanderson
    Out ––– Roger Cook, same old same old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Cook_(politician)

    Australia
    Chief Medical Officer
    In
    ––– Professor Brendon Murphy - Nephrologist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Murphy_(doctor)
    Out ––– Paul Kelly - epidemiologist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kelly_(doctor)

    What do these people have in common?
    They are not experts in virology or immunology.

    What is the definition of a ‘vaccine expert’? Who qualifies for this title, and on what basis?
    https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1932/rr-10

    Based on your previous response, do you need a bachelor of arts or a degree to know that a square peg goes in a square hole, or is it common sense?
    Or what about a headache, do you have to go and consult your GP to get an opinion or do you just take some panadol?
    What about if your car breaks down and you need a tow, do you consult your mechanic for an opinion or do you just get a two because you know the car doesn't move? Common sense, hey?
    Do you need some form of formal education to know the above, or what about questioning official narratives?






     
  3. UntilNextTime

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    Have you read them all? NO!
     
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    Here's just the first one. *LOL* You haven'[t read these, and every day will be an embarrassment to you as we go through each one.
    Rare and all resolving on their own the following day doesn't sound scary. Maybe you should read the links before posting?

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666602221000409

    mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have emerged as a new form of vaccination that has proven to be highly safe and effective against COVID-19 vaccination. Rare adverse events including myocarditis have been reported in the literature.

    Methods
    Data were gathered from the electronic medical record of four patients personally treated by the authors.

    Results
    Four patients, ages 20 to 30, presented with myocarditis characterized by chest pain, elevations in troponin-I and C-reactive protein, and negative viral serologies two to four days following mRNA vaccine administration. One had a cardiac MRI showing delayed gadolinium enhancement in a subpericardial pattern. All experienced symptom resolution by the following day, and the two who have returned for follow-up had normal troponin-I and CRP values.
     
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    Yes indeed, you said it. Maybe you need to practice what you preach!
    The following is from within the link you provided;

    "2. Case 1
    A 23-year-old woman presented with chest pain 5 days after receiving her second dose of the Moderna vaccine. She had an ECG (Fig. 1) with down-sloping PR depressions and diffuse ST elevations, as well as a troponin of 14,045 pg/mL and an elevated CRP (Table 1). Her troponin peaked the following day. Coxsackie, HCV, CMV, and EBV serologies were all negative. Transthoracic echocardiography (TTE) demonstrated a left ventricular ejection fraction (LVEF) of 55 to 60%, with basal inferior and basal inferolateral hypokinesis. CMR (Fig. 2, Fig. 3, Fig. 4) revealed late gadolinium enhancement involving the basal inferior, basal to mid inferolateral, mid anterolateral, apical lateral, apical septal, and apical inferior wall segments in a subepicardial distribution pattern, consistent with myocarditis. Her symptoms resolved quickly, and her CRP declined to 11 mg/L by the third day of her hospitalization. She was discharged on hospital day 3. She presented to clinic for follow-up two weeks after discharge, where her CRP had declined to 0.8 mg/L and she had no residual symptoms."

    Why "chest pain" for a jab that is supposed to protect you from covid? Yet it fcks with your heart. What is to say that she has had further events or dead since? Yep, that's your 'weird' science.

    "Rare" cases, that's why there are over 1000 reports. :roflol:
     
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    If the covid shots are safe and effective, there'd be no reports of any ill health, right? So why is there? Dodgy mRNA shots, that's why.
     
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    Why should I do YOUR homework for you? You are the one making the point ergo it is up to you to review those journal articles and show those that are quantitative not qualitative
     
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    Sorry not how anything works

    Everything will cause an adverse reaction to someone somewhere under the right circumstances
     
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    You carry on about proof/evidence, well, have you looked at what you asked for?
     
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    ...and what are the right "circumstances"? That the victim needs to be told by you whether they had or not had an adverse effect event?
     
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    Have YOU read them? I ran through a few and it is the equivalent of raw VAERS data.
     
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    How about those who died in their sleep before receiving the jab?
     
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    This is why VAERS and the Australian equivalent the TGA even exist. Patients are encouraged to report any adverse event - even if it is something as silly as nail polish fading faster

    https://www.tga.gov.au/news/covid-1...otal-adverse-event-reports-to-30-january-2022

    This is RAW data - it is looked at and reviewed eg the patient reporting the fading nail polish will be followed up to find out if it is the vaccine or some other cause such as the type of dish washer detergent being used

    Damn! Can’t be.I even how many times I have to explain this stuff!
     
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    I am NOT repeat NOT doing your homework for you. Up to you to review that site, choose one or two data driven quantitative reports and I will happily discuss them but I suspect you have not quantified the articles on that site yourself as you appear to believe that anecdotal evidence is equivalent to a systematic review of literature
     
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    I'm not even a quarter of the way through, and? You have a lot of excuses up your sleeves.
     
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    Yes, they are but do they actually get recorded, that is the problem with VAERS and our equivalent. Because the spineless bureaucrats don't enter every single case, sceptics like you carry on as they do when there is some information that rubs against your grain of belief.
     
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    I already did it in another thread, this same site was used. Yet you or another had stated I was "cherry-picking". Remember?

    Here is another from the site.
    Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900

    "Results

    Among 2 000 287 individuals receiving at least 1 COVID-19 vaccination, 58.9% were women, the median age was 57 years (interquartile range [IQR], 40-70 years), 76.5% received more than 1 dose, 52.6% received the BNT162b2 vaccine (Pfizer/BioNTech), 44.1% received the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna), and 3.1% received the Ad26.COV2.S vaccine (Janssen/Johnson & Johnson). Twenty individuals had vaccine-related myocarditis (1.0 [95% CI, 0.61-1.54] per 100 000) and 37 had pericarditis (1.8 [95% CI, 1.30-2.55] per 100 000).

    Myocarditis occurred a median of 3.5 days (IQR, 3.0-10.8 days) after vaccination (mRNA-1273 vaccine, 11 cases [55%]; BNT162b2 vaccine, 9 cases [45%]) (Table). Fifteen individuals (75%; 95% CI, 53%-89%) were male, and the median age was 36 years (IQR, 26-48 years). Four persons (20%; 95% CI, 8%-42%) developed symptoms after the first vaccination and 16 (80%; 95% CI, 58%-92%) developed symptoms after the second. Nineteen patients (95%; 95% CI, 76%-99%) were admitted to the hospital. All were discharged after a median of 2 days (IQR, 2-3 days). There were no readmissions or deaths. Two patients received a second vaccination after onset of myocarditis; neither had worsening of symptoms. At last available follow-up (median, 23.5 days [IQR, 4.8-41.3 days] after symptom onset), 13 patients (65%; 95% CI, 43%-82%) had symptom resolution and 7 (35%; 95% CI, 18%-57%) were improving.

    Pericarditis developed after the first immunization in 15 cases (40.5%; 95% CI, 26%-57%) and after the second immunization in 22 cases (59.5%; 95% CI, 44%-74%) (mRNA-1273 vaccine, 12 cases [32%]; BNT162b2 vaccine, 23 cases [62%]; Ad26.COV2.S vaccine, 2 cases [5%]). Median onset was 20 days (IQR, 6.0-41.0 days) after the most recent vaccination. Twenty-seven individuals (73%; 95% CI, 57%-85%) were male, and the median age was 59 years (IQR, 46-69 years). Thirteen (35%; 95% CI, 22%-51%) were admitted to the hospital, none to intensive care. Median stay was 1 day (IQR, 1-2 days). Seven patients with pericarditis received a second vaccination. No patient died. At last available follow-up (median, 28 days; IQR, 7-53 days), 7 patients (19%; 95% CI, 9%-34%) had resolved symptoms and 23 (62%; 95% CI, 46%-76%) were improving... continues"

    The fact that an event occurred, regardless of the fact that it dissipated or had gone away is irrelevant. It happened, that is the point.
     
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    And, did they or did they not occur?
    Are you stating that they are 'make-believe'?
     
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    Here is another from the site

    Lymphohistocytic myocarditis after Ad26.COV2.S viral vector COVID-19 vaccination
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352906721001573

    "Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) has caused approximately 4.38 million deaths worldwide with 208 million individuals infected. In addition, many with COVID-19 disease or post-COVID-19 infection have experienced cardiac involvement, such as myocarditis, or cardiac arrhythmias [1]. Fortunately, development of modified RNA (mRNA) and viral vector vaccines have curbed the incidence and mortality from COVID-19 [2]. Although countries, have demonstrated a decreased incidence of infection resulting from increased rates of COVID-19 vaccination, many individuals remain unvaccinated due to concerns of potential side-effects or complications. This journal published a case report on April 2021 suggesting a possible association between the Pfizer (mRNA) vaccine and myocarditis [3]. Further reports have supported the association between the mRNA vaccine and the development of myocarditis in young adults and an older adult with previous history of COVID-19 [4], [5]. It is important to make the distinction that this patient obtained a viral vector vaccine and no similar case of myocarditis has been reported."

    Yep, anecdotal, not!

    So to do a study, you need a subject(s), right? There are plenty in these papers.
     
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    Acute myocarditis following administration of BNT162b2 vaccine
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214250921001530


    And here is another,
    Brain death in a vaccinated patient with COVID-19 infection
    Abstract
    We present a case of brain death in a vaccinated, immunocompromised patient who presented with COVID-19 pneumonia. Imaging was characterized by diffuse cerebral edema, pseudo-subarachnoid hemorrhage, and no antegrade flow above the terminal internal carotid arteries. To our knowledge, this is the first case report with such findings in a vaccinated patient.


     
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    What part of “Anecdotal evidence” are you not getting?
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    We are not saying this is not happening - what we are saying is that it is happening one sixth of the rate it would with a COVID 19 infection and it is milder than what would be experienced with COVID 19
     
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    yes it is a single incidence so it is anecdotal
     
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    For those struggling to understand what is meant by “levels of evidence”
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    Look at where this fits
     
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    And what you're saying is incorrect.
    Who are those that are worse off, the ones that have been vaxxed and have had an adverse effect, or those that have had covid which has an average of a 98% survivability rate?
     
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    There are hundreds more on that site, would you like me to bore you with them?
     

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