Vegetarianism is actually superior to the consuming of meat/animal flesh both in health and in economics. This thread is an off-topic move from: Should animal porn be illegal?
LeonCoDem wrote: Actually pal, eating animals is counter-productive to human health (cancer causing via hormones, cardiac problems, digestive problems with colon cancer) and is also economically unfeasible in that processing animals costs more than processing grains and vegetables. Why are you so thick? You blame liberals/progressives for this or that only to have it blow up in your face. SpaceCricket79 wrote: Really it isn't - the average Vegan is actually less healthy than a person eating a healthy diet consisting of meat. LeonCoDem wrote: Oh man. You people are over your heads now. You mean I get to trash 3 conservatives? Gee, I'm used to 5. No, we evolved and ate meat early on, roughly 2 million years ago. Brains enlarged. Since we, well progressives, have understood homo erectus is now capable of finding protein and fats without eating meat, teeth are not important. Grizzly bears have canine teeth but roughly 80% of their diet is vegetable matter, not meat. How many grams of protein do you eat per day? Are you covered and balanced with all amino acids? What about inflammatory foods? Eat much? My dogs are vegetarians. Have some genius thought on that? Hey, I remember you. I used to kick your anus all over the forum. Yeah, the "bagger." Don't be so stupid. It's the practice of idiocy to assume you know anything about my diet when you have not even engaged in writing with me about this subject. But this is what conservatives do until they are intellectually outwitted by a progressive. You should be tired of that by now. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know B12 deficiency is extremely rare, B12 is lost slowly over a long period of time, and replenished very, very easily. marleyfin wrote: you have 0% body fat? .. sorry I couldn't help myself. Check out your teeth, we have evolved to eat meat .. which incidentally also helped increased our brain size/ capacity. You can certainly make a moral argument against eating meat .. a health benefit one is not in your favor. [/COLOR] AbsoluteVoluntarist wrote: It's ignorant to suggest that a species that invovled to eat meat will be happiest eating meat? But you're right about creating another thread, since we're supposed to be talking about bestiality. But in general, attempting to impose human-like rights on animals is foolish, either in matters of sex or in matters of diet. Where did you get the idea I'm a vegan? I'm a vegetarian that doesn't not eat animal flesh. You people amaze me. You have no facts to start with, no basis to make assertions where I'm concerned as you have absolutely no clue what I consume. --
While eating excess red meat is bad for you due to the high fat there is absolutely no difference in health and mortality between vegetarians and moderate meat eaters.
I've bought into the primal/paleo/WAP ideas of health and nutrition. I think that saturated fat is not bad for you and that the problems with nutrition today lie in an excessive consumption of grains, sugars, and processed vegetable oils. I suspect vegetarians can be healthy if they avoid excessive amounts of those things and eat plenty of eggs, maybe dairy, and olive and coconut oils. But meat is perfectly healthy, even though the standard American diet is not. Organ meats and marrow, I think, are especially healthful and rich in nutrients. As for economics, just let the market decide. If meat costs more to raise, it'll cost more on the shelves, and people can pay what they're willing to pay for. Environmental concerns should be dealt with through strict enforcement of property rights against "externalities."
Yeah, I've known people on the "caveman diet"... and gluten-free diets. I'm just staying away from hormones and antibiotics. I avoid sugars and use only canola oil or flaxseed oil that's non hydrogenated. Coconut oil just causes cholesterol levels to rise... happened to my friend's wife. There are those who go way, way overboard on weird diets and usually have one great doctor that wrote a book. I get my blood checked very regularly. All is normal. Moderately low blood pressure. I'll never do liver. I once asked a biology instructor that if an animal's liver cleans the blood of toxins and are stored, do we humans get those toxins in much higher levels. She didn't know. Economics. It's not the markets, it's transportation costs in transporting animals... Animals eat grain, go get processed, are put into stores. With vegetables and grains one huge step is bypassed (slaughter).
I don't know if it is and I really don't care. I'm a vegetarian because of personal reasons and have had no associated health problems.
And you will have fewer health problems. I'm a vegetarian for health and moral reasons. I was pointing out that there are massive costs in feeding livestock, transporting animals to slaughter houses, then sent on to the market place... compared to growing grains and taking those grains to be made into bread, cereal, or flour. There has to be a great savings alone in power and fuel to transport and slaughter livestock. Also, the more cattle for instance, produce massive amounts of methane gas which is a green house gas. Tell me about the instances of skin cancer in Australia due to the loss of the ozone layer.
Ehh. I started because of moral reasons but I've somewhat rejected them since. It's more habit than anything - I just don't feel the desire to eat meat. It's like being off a drug for long enough - eventually you just don't get cravings. Haven't noticed a difference at all in my health - but vegetarianism can be very dangerous if you don't do it right - just like how eating meat can be dangerous if you don't do it right. Make sure you eat a lot of nuts, watermelons and oranges. A vegetarian who doesn't replace the lost nutritional content can get very sick. Don't just stop eating meat - replace it with something!
Someone seriously thought and told me that. It, however, leaves out anyone living in a town or city, and anyone on the Great Plains. Here's an idea for ya... pack up your gear and head down here. There are an estimated 500,000 wild hogs taking over. Can you bow hunt African Rock Pythons or Burmese Pythons? There are plenty in S. Florida. A good add-on for the economy is to put a $1000 bounty for every one of those snake skins brought in. Damazz things.
I saw animal porn on the Discovery Channel.. They always show lions mating and that.. It doesn't usually get me going, well not usually anyway.
This is rather an impossible discussion because you can't possibly narrow a comparison of diets down to just presence of meat or not.. It has to consider all things eaten. So a vegetarian could be well healthier than a meat eater, if they are eating a good enough variety of nutrients, or someone who is constantly eating meat could be healthier depending on how much sugar, salt etc. they have. The point is you must have a balanced diet with everything you need and little you don't and this can occur with or without meat.
Probably more fun too! I couldn't hunt as I don't have the heart for it... Unless I had to of course. At least with hunting, you get an actual, natural animal just the way God made them, without having to worry about it being genetically modified or laced with God only knows what. (It is important to note that due to food industry lobbying, food and beverage corporations are NOT* required to disclose everything they put in it, or whether it's genetically modified. In other words, when you read the ingredients, it is NOT necessarily comprehensive and there can be anything else in it. It's fraud and it's misleading). *federally or by the FDA.. Your state or local government (hopefully) might have this requirement.
You can still hunt if you live in the city. I'm sure that rural land owners would be more than happy to let you go after those wild hogs.
The liver breaks down the toxins into less toxic materials. The liver doesn't store toxins. The fatty tissue stores toxins. The answer is that no, livers aren't full of toxins. Liver is safe to eat, except for a few animals that store vitamins in their liver (polar bears store high amounts of Vitamin A, so high that it's toxic to humans).
Greenhouse gases don't break down the ozone. Methane does nothing to harm the ozone. (Methane is a greenhouse gas). Methane actually helps the ozone layer outside of the polar regions (hurts it in the polar regions). http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/08/science/methane-up-sharply-ozone-impact-studied.html One of my pet peeves is people who conflate greenhouse gases with ozone depleting gases. They are not usually the same.
