Do we need a Pandemic Amnesty?

Cool beans. SWE has 3-4 times the deaths. They admit they messed up, so what's the point of you arguing otherwise.

Their economy was hurt just as bad as everyone else. Today their inflation rate is 11% and unemployment is about 7%. So, yea, sacrificing so many lives bought them nothing

Violently? We went to war for 20 years over 3000 deaths. Now we lost over a million, and people are like "meh, who cares".

You think the children of today have "damaged futures" because of this? Heck, they have more jobs that anyone. You sure like to play the drama queen.

 

No, your post compared Sweeden to everyone. And it also notes that Australia, the country you maligned for being aggressive, did the best, just for the record.

My article compared Sweeden to its neighbors, Finland and Norway. That helps normalize variables that exist between say the US and Sweden, such as fatness for example and population density differences among others. It used a per capita basis.

Sweden closed high schools and Universities, but not grade schools. Their neighbors did. Is that sole factor? No, Sweden did other things lightly as well. So the bottom line is, the more stricter the lockdown prior to vaccines and boosters, the better the death rate from Covid.

Death rate actually may not be the best metric anyway, infection rate would be better. Because when go from infection to death, often times, as all viruses do, they kill those who are fat or already sick more than people who aren't. Infection, however, has fewer variables. It comes down to things like exposure (aka being exposed via your elementary aged school kid) and your immune system, which given people have intermarried across western European cultures in this country and Sweden probably is more consistent. By that count, Sweden also failed, with five times the infection rate Norway and 12 times the death rate of just Norway. And that's a rate, population differences are accounted for.

Norway versus Sweden: A case study in COVID-19 response (openaccessgovernment.org)

There isn't any data that says Sweden made the right choice in not making it's lockdown required and in keeping half it's school system open. And that's despite their superior access to medical care and over all higher rankings in health. There is no evidence that says closing schools was the wrong decision given the information and capabilities we had at the time. Going forward, if we are actually innovative and prepare for the future for once, perhaps we can avoid it or reduce the closure time. But that would require spending money on the future, something those who oppose school closures don't want to. Or get vaccinated, something they also suddenly don't want to do. So the enemy to keeping schools open becomes thyself...

 

Yet the statistics don't show 3-4 times. They show 2 times based on population.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/labour-market-effects-covid-19-sweden-and-its-scandinavian-neighbours

And not as hurt in Sweden, and their path out is better among the Nordic countries.
https://coronakommissionen.com/wp-c...nces-of-the-pandemic_the-nordic-countries.pdf

"We". You rulers enriched the war merchants and themselves. They couldn't find a way to get rich off of COVID without more economic destruction than can be allowed.

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Yes, especially those at the margins. Not that they matter to "compassionate" progressive elitists who care more about forcing others to conform to their morals and the fallout of that enforced conformity.

https://www.childtrends.org/publica...id-especially-among-latino-and-black-children

https://www.who.int/europe/activities/considering-the-impact-of-covid-19-on-children

 

Hell to the no.

 

I'm not talking about my thoughts. I'm referring to your lack of contact with objective reality.

 

I wasn't planning to since your posting of articles without the links is rather bad form. I think this is the message in question?

I read her article. Did you read her hiking story? That is the action of a certified loon. It betrays all of the hysteria that we saw not just on this forum, but society at large during the pandemic. To be fair, not all hysterics were on the left. There were a whole segment of people on the right who were every bit as hysterical as the left. So if your issue is that I identified her as leftist, it seems like a fair guess given the evidence, however it's possible that's not the case. Anyhow, she keep to her senses earlier than most of the blue check class, so there is that. Now, why was her political identification so important to you?

 

Well I actually posted evidence that they did better, which you ignored. But that isn't really the issue. The issue is should there be a pandemic amnesty for the people who called it wrong? Since you don't believe that the establishment called it wrong, this entire thread seems rather academic. So I'm not sure what further point you are trying to make.

 

Feel free to describe it... with some specificity of course.

 

As if that's wasn't bad enough. Was it worth 20 000 dead Swedes vs 4000 Norwegians? Swedes say no, but you are free to disagree.

The answer is no, - their future is not damaged, but I am sure you'll never stop trying to convince kids that their future is damaged beyond repair.

 

Should people like this guy get their record expunged?

 

I didn't post links. The point was this:

Well, below headlines from her lead me to doubt she’s the extremist you were salivating for.

 

Not an extremist, but a typical blue check.

 

Besides COVID, Here Are 43 Other Things Democrats Are Requesting Amnesty On.

'Here are some other things some Democrats want you to forget their responsibility for:'

1. 'Slavery
2. Jim Crow laws
3. Grooming children
4. Ted Kennedy
5. U2
6. Banning Dr. Seuss books
7. Trying to shut down a local business by Oberlin College with false accusations of racism
8. Trying to shut down a local business in Colorado with false accusations of homophobia
9. The DMV
10. Kale
11. Dr. Fauci
12. The Rings of Power
13. Comedienne Amy Schumer
14. The term "comedienne"
15. President Andrew Jackson
16. The Indian Removal Act and Trail of Tears
17. Gluing themselves to things
18. Keto cereal
19. Turning the frogs gay
20. $5 coffee'

We'll consider - after we vote.

 

Galactic Empire Requests Amnesty For Anyone Who May Have Gotten Carried Away And Blown Up A Planet.



'"This is supposed to be a happy galaxy. Let's not bicker and argue about who annihilated whose planet," wrote Grand Moff Ardus Kaine in a guest opinion piece published by The Atlantic after polls showed destroying Alderaan just to get a politician to squeal did not sit well with the galaxy's citizens. "Oopsies happen. Forgive and forget, I always say."'

Let's vote first, then discuss.

 

It's what you see when you look at the real world.

 

So...unable to describe it.

 

No, There Will Not Be Any "Pandemic Amnesty"

"...sooner or later, everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences..."

All the lies, smears, Karens, and coercion.

• 'Vaccines were never tested or proven to stop transmission.'
  
  
• 'The fatality rate was around 0.005%'
  
  
• 'Ivermectin worked'
  
  
• 'Masks don’t'
  
  
• 'Lockdowns did more damage than good'
  

…'and the final straws for the credibility of all involved':

• 'This thing came out of a lab, and'
  
  
• Fauci used US taxpayer money to fund the creation of COVID.
  

Vote them out, do not do business with those that coordinated in the coercion.

 

Another good article, and in direct response to the Atlantic article cited in the OP:

 

And yet another...

The tyranny of a Covid amnesty


The original article has generated quite a response.

 

They destroyed lives: UNEXPECTEDLY: Students who finished high school during COVID now failing in college.

The Atlantic’s COVID Amnesty Request Was a Massive Political Blunder.

'Democrats are about to get wiped out in large part by suburban mothers in blue states and cities where the COVID tyranny and human rights abuses were the worst. The Atlantic’s request for an amnesty was a direct, election-eve appeal to these suburban voters to forgive, forget, and vote Democrat. It doesn’t get any more cynical or dishonest than that, but that’s what the Atlantic was aiming for.'

Forced Masking, Forced Jabs, Forced Lockdowns, Hectoring Karens now demanding amnesty

'Without apologizing or even admitting they did anything wrong, without promising never to do it again, without any contrition or remorse or consequences, these monsters are requesting amnesty.'

Without dining at the banquet of consequences, they will do it again and they will even go further.

'More proof arrogance breeds stupidity like rats breed plague.'

'These suburban moms aren’t stupid. More than anyone, moms know what these monsters did to their children. So the Atlantic trying to gaslight them in such a brazen and shameless way will only infuriate and remind them of the arrogance and lack of repentance on the part of those who abused their children and aging parents.'

From Libs of TikTok on Thread Reader, a “#NoPandemicAmnesty Mega Thread. They want us to forgive and forget what they did during the pandemic. We shouldn’t.”

 

They feel the approaching MEGA MAGA THUNDER!

 

I'm thinking "NO" on the pandemic amnesty.

 

Pandemic Amnesty, No. Truth and Reconciliation Commission, Yes.

Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who!

 

EUROPE FACES ‘CANCER EPIDEMIC’ AFTER ESTIMATED 1M CASES MISSED DURING COVID.

'Which is yet another reason why: There Can Be No ‘Amnesty’ On Lockdowns Without A Reckoning.'




https://instapundit.com/554158/

No amnesty.