Do You Believe In Racially Profiling Muslims At Airports?

I don't even know how to answer this. There are just so many things wrong here I don't even know where to begin.

 

Figures

 

For openers, it seems reasonable to inquire as to just when "Muslim" became a race.

Moreover, not all propositions are convertible. For instance, all apples are fruits; but not all fruits are apples.

Likewise, most terrorists tend to be Muslim; but it would be untrue to assert that most Muslims are terrorists.

Nonetheless, given the strong correlation between the two, it would probably be prudent for anyone to take special precautions as regarding anyone known to be a Muslim...

 

The problem is that the government has a presence in airports at all. Abolish the FAA.

Immigration policy is a farce. If you don't want someone to come onto your property, don't let them. Stop dictating who I can let onto mine, and who I can trade mine with.

 

If the suspect is described at a muscular young Black male
Is it racial profiling to only investigate Black males?
So the police have to equally investigate purse clutching little old white ladies to demonstrate no racism.

Political Correctness over Clues
The New Police Way.
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Moi

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What does a Muslim look like? Do they all have a stereotypical appearance? Obviously not... so again how it is one can at a glance differentiate a Muslim from an Atheist from a Deist from a Buddhist from a...etc.?

 

There are people who are devoted to jihad that have blond hair and blue eyes.
Keying on arabs and ignoring the rest is a formula for disaster.

 

Yes! As a courtesy, Muslims should be singled out at airports just so they can be treated more favorably than all others. Airport staffers with a nice, welcoming smile, should politely and very gingerly escort them past all security measures and ensure that they are comfortable in first-class seating. Even those Muslims packing AK-47s should be given preferential treatment because after all, they do represent the religion of peace.

 

I don't think that using sarcasm is really appropriate for this discussion.

 

I'm shaking my head as well,,,,,geez we do not check near as many Irish people as we should,,,LOL God we are adults, we are talking about lives. Some still do not get it though,,I guess when they go down in flames they can say,,,,''Well, at least I was not rude''

Maybe they should have it carved on their tombstone.....


''Here lies Fred, Fred is dead, ''but was never rude at airports'',,we will miss him''

 

This. We're not going anywhere nearly as far as the Japanese internment camps. But we are saying, "groups are targeting us with bombs", said specific group has specific people.

We'd be moronic NOT to profile them. Well, we'd be Britain(7/7). I have no interest in emulating the Brits, if they wanna continue the failed multicultural path, they can.

 

I use to travel a lot when younger, hung with a crowed that loved vacationing together. We all had L O N G H A I R ,,,some beards mustache's you get the drift.
Anyway,,,every time we were in an Airport [especially at one of the Islands] DRUG CHECK!! They would pull us aside and go through EVERYTHING,,heck in Bermuda they even tested some pills my girl friend had.

So,,,where was the fuss,,where were OUR RIGHTS?,,,were we profiled? YOU BETCHA!!!

Were we shocked? nope!,,did we protest? nope!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why? Cause if anybody was sneaking in drugs it was us, we knew it, they knew it,,
THE ENTIRE FRIGIN WORLD KNEW IT!

AND......................They wrinkled my shirts....I still to this day say they should have checked that old lady with the Blue Hair,,,acid head for sure...

 

that made me howl!!!
and man i needed a good ole forum lol…


seriously i get it, why all the fuss about profiling…hell there is a science to it, and they need to use it…

If it were not for all this Islamist rhetoric and suicide bombs and flying airplanes into mud huts…ooops i mean sky scrapers the mud huts are our targets…anyway..

if they were just all nice people…singing and dancing around the decorated Christmas goat we would not need to worry…and they could go through our airports smelling the place up with BO and talking in that foul sounding thing they call arabic..and no one would bother looking into their filthy luggage.

 

No, very definitely not. It's a waste of resources and INCREASES our chances of letting a bomber aboard.

All of the conservatives who support this are subscribing to the idea that all bombers MUST LOOK like bombers, that bombers aren't somehow capable of looking very Western.

Who is the guy below, by that, I mean, is he Middle Eastern, going by looks? Be honest, would you profile him?

(Highlight for answer) That is Alexander Siddiq, he played Dr Bashir on DeepSpace 9. His name, until he changed it in the first season was Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi. He was born in the Sudan to Sudanese parents and is, I believe, the son of a former Egyptian ambassador to the US. (altho later bios don't mention this)

Profiling assumes that terrorists are somehow incapable of wearing disguises, or buying a bottle of hair dye. It assumes that all Terrorists LOOK like terrorists and are somehow completely incapable of changing their appearance in any way. On the face of it, can any of you honestly say that you DON'T find that the most patently stupid assumption anyone could possibly make.

And the worst part is that it is also a patently DANGEROUS assumption. If the terrorist knows or even suspects that profiling is going on he will do everything he can NOT to fit that profile. But worse, by far, is the fact that TSR people, devices, whatever will USE that profiling and let on a bomber who doesn't fit the profile.

Notice, I have not said ONE WORD about profiling being bigotry or involving discrimination. I truly don't care. If I thought for one minute that profiling would work I would gladly profile every passenger that flies, including myself. I don't believe in profiling because it will not work, cannot work and, by it's very nature, will in fact make the problem worse

 

Yep, and the fact of the matter is that the majority of people -- who've survived in the job -- who've ever worked in any aspect of Law Enforcement or Security, and that's regardless of their own race or ethnic background, have profiled one way or the other in order to do his or her job properly. They may not admit to doing so . . . but they have done so. They have to do it in order to be effective.

 

Me bud's girlfriend works in law enforcement in toronto…there is this thing that is labeled by psychologists , it eludes me to what it is called …but it goes like this…


You become a cop with all best intention…night after night a particular race is always the culprit it seems…month in month out a certain race seems to be doing most of the hard core dangerous crime…

within a few years the cop is ruined for he or she now sees that certain race as the problem….

 

^Absolutely awesome post. Lol!

And that's what it comes down to, Flounder. It's all about bragging rights. About who appears morally superior. Screw what actually works. External appearance is the only thing that matters. And it's ridiculous. And that kind of pretentious hipster elitist mentality can end up costing innocent people their lives because it prevents people from doing their jobs effectively to keep us safe. If you're more concerned with looking sensitive than with keeping people safe, then you have no business in law enforcement. Because you're not cut out to do the job effectively. In order to keep people safe, you have to leave your feelings at the door and do what works. If you're preoccupied by whether or not you think it's politically correct, you're going to get it wrong.

 

There is that, yes. But also it applies to mode of dress and ways of walking, talking, and moving. I spent over a decade in rather dangerous aspects of security work while dabbling at getting a college degree after leaving the military service decades ago and you get to where a sort of mental radar pings at your subconscious regardless of race or ethnic background.

You don't always know what's just set off your mental alarm system but you KNOW that you'd better pay close attention to a certain person. It's profiling as it should be done . . . and it's also a personal survival mechanism because the life you save is very likely to be your own.

 

If people of my race and faith (caucasian Christian) were committing 99% of the world's terrorist acts, I'd be happy that all caucasians and Christians were being relentlessly and everywhere profiled. Unlike "moderate" Muslims, I would have no sympathy for my white Christian terrorist brothers and would proudly speak out against them.

 

My point being that good LEOs and good Security Professionals do profile -- whether or not they will admit it -- as a matter of course . . . and they profile everyone against a mental data-base labelled 'suspicious dress, movements, speech pattern, or what have you'.

 

I am unaware of any serious person who has claimed that President Obama's actions, in targeting the Tea Party, were "racist." But they were clearly motivated by cynicism, and political opportunism.

 

There are not enough resources to profile everyone, so that is why you have to target those who appear like they would fit the crime. In this case Muslims.

 

christians and white people and the real obvious Black African Americans should get some sort of express card.

We are the good guys.

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the Tea Party are you lame to do any physical harm…they are too busy ranting and raving at rallies..

 

Well no, you can't really racially profile Muslims, but when trying to curb terrorism authorities should keep a closer eye out for a guy who looks like this



than one who looks like this



It doesn't mean anyone should lose their rights, or that we should only stop people who look foreign. It just makes more sense to keep an eye out for the profile. Given our terrorist issues over the last two decades, we know that an extremely small portion (less than 1% of our population) looks like the people who have committed over half of the serious terrorist attacks (I don't feel I need to elaborate on "serious", but obviously we could differentiate some college dumbass with a "soda bomb" in a trash can from a guy who hijacks a plane).

But, speaking specifically to the issue of airport security, it seems more than adequate as it is to me. I've been through a bunch of times, and use to go way more often when I was in the service, and it seems to me like they could lighten up if anything.

 

If people would just take a more mature attitude. One time when being searched they were just about at the end and looked exhausted, one fellow stared at my Golf Bag still in the corner of the room,,I walked over grabbed it and handed it to him...''Missed this?'' I said,,he smiled and gave it a quick once over.
Look, we realized why they would check us,,no surprise. It was not because they hated us, not because of our religion,,we fit the ''picture'' and it's understandable. What good would it have done to argue, stamp our feet,,scream ''THIS ISN'T FAIR''

''Fair'' has nothing to do with it, saving lives does. People should grow the hell up.....