Do You Prefer Capitalism or Socialism?

Nope still wrong.

 

Your surname isn't Bundy, is it?

 

So basically what your saying is that they're better than we are.

 

So, you refuse to answer the question.

 

Capitalism is just an economic system with no moral or social concerns. It is not a philosophy or ideology.
Socialism includes a proposed economic system and also has a philosophical basis. It is the product essentially of intellectual effort. Thus, not having developed organically, it is full of imperfections.
Capitalism grew from modest beginnings that contributed much to Renaissance life, then grew to proportions that became onerous and destructive, especially at the "industrial revolution".
Socialism begat examples of horrendous excess and sacrifice for supposed ideological goals.
For these reasons and more, we see no true "capitalism" nor "socialism" on the current landscape. Having learned lessons from both, we have installed systems that are wide variations of the two all over the planet.
What is needed now is a totally new form, our own renaissance. This bickering about what has gone on up to now will get us nowhere. We need to learn what not to do and find new, original ways to do.

 

I prefer free enterprise to Capitalism, Socialism or any other ism. There is no mention of Capitalism in the US Constitution. There are provisions however that give the government the power to tax and pool resources in order to promote the general welfare of the citizens. Police and Fire Departments receive funding from taxation. So does the military in a huge way. I would welcome a system of pooling resources to create the greatest healthcare system and the greatest higher education system in the world to match our military. People and corporations who build their immense wealth by being licensed to operate in our economy should be taxed accordingly.

 

Not to derail the thread but Kelly Bundy aka Christina Applegate was and is the most beautiful creature that walks, prove me wrong; hint that's not possible, because she is

 

That would be like trying to argue that Obama's GDP was better than Trump's if you just don't factor in the first 18 months
that include a recession that was already in full swing BEFORE he took office. You wouldn't let me get away with
that crap. You don't get pretend that 1 year of a President's time in office shouldn't be counted. How a President
handles a crisis is part and parcel of their time in office.

And even before Covid, Trump was still near the bottom of the pack, despite being handed one of the lowest starting
unemployment rates of any modern President. Trump's time in office, even before Covid, was mostly very average.

 

I am for Trump style capitalism.

AOC can take a hike.

 

How about a synthesis, capitalism with a safety net and enforceable regulations protecting the public from the excesses of capitalism?

 

I'm simply showing a more accurate graph with BOTH before and after COVID hits.. You sir have never used such a thing concerning Trump..

And he still beat both Bush and Mr. Obatard! Up until Chiner XI and his gift to the DNC..

 

Do you ever discount the impact of the recession that was already in full swing before Obama took office or the two wars? Do you discount an oil shortage that started in the Mid-East during Carter's term? I don't. The numbers are what they are - not what you wished
they would be.

 

Never! He clearly spent 8 trillion to shore up banks while much of the economy reset.. He failed to better Bush's numbers whereas Trump for relatively the same money "Over Time" put far more minorities and white to work and carried a better GDP then both Bush or Mr Obatard.. UNTIL Chiner XI gifted the DNC and the world with Pandemic..

 

Both

 

Trump signed off on more debt in 4 years than Obama did in 8.
Unemployment dropped from over 9% to under 4.7% when Obama left office (a 4.3% decrease).
Unemployment was dropped 1.2% while Trump was in office prior to Covid, and he left office with a 6.7% unemployment rate.

The numbers are what they are.

 

Says the guy who refused to answer my question, of which was asked first. Hahahahaha.
I’m not obsessed with you. You DO realize you contacted ME first, right???????

 

You completely misunderstand business. What sent US jobs overseas is the opportunity to make MORE money by outsourcing jobs overseas. Corporation are made for profit, if in another country slavery and child labor is legal , you will make bigger profit by firing American workers and sending jobs overseas. If the job must be done in the US, you bring foreign workers to the US on different visas and you are firing Americans. I saw it in the IT business, but 3 years ago president Trump increased number of of h2b(?) Visas to let hotel industry to profit too.

 

So you are not obsessed with Russia - not part of the Blue Mob - Why do you figure they are so obsessed with Russia ?

 

Speaking of dishonesty......

Your graph shows TRUMP Annualized REAL Economic Growth from Q1 2007 to Q1 2020, thus, where's Q2, Q3, and Q4 2020?

Let's be fair......

Let's compare Obama's Q1 2011 to Q4 2016, and Trump's Q1 2016 to Q4 2019, thus, let's eleminate both President's Recessions, and then, recalculate.

Do you want me to do it for you?

Also, you must be wondering why I stated Trump's Q1 2016......I Don't think your smart enough to know why.

 

I own 3 businesses. I don't misunderstand ****.

 

No idea nor do I care

 

I just want people to be paid the actual value of their labor. What they do with their money after that is none of my business and it really shouldn’t be any of yours either.

 

I have no problem with the buying or selling of goods as long as laborers are being paid the value of their labor and no one is rewarded with capital simply for sake of possessing capital.

 

Absolutely, neither system works. Capitalism is unsustainable at our population levels and has lead to the massive concentration of wealth and power into the hands of very few people who are strong enough to influence or even rival governments, while a growing number slip into poverty and the middle class shrinks. Socialism often leads to erosions of personal freedoms and poverty for all, again with a small number of elites controlling the masses. We need something that has not been tried yet, that maintains liberty, is sustainable and environmentally sound, doesn't leave any in poverty, and limits the concentration of wealth and power.