Do you think Mao and Stalin deserve their popularity?

For their period they were the gurus of socialism. And they were the best of the best of their era. They would not survive in todays era of politics. Unless they ran a chruch or religious organization.

 

Wow, I can't believe they have their faces on money still.

Anyone looking for evidence of how media controls narrative look no further than the equivalent story on Muslims, and how it would be covered(Imagine a Libya putting Osama Bin Laden on a new currency). Just two decades ago communism was the dirtiest word in the English language, and now we openly trade to strengthen a communist nation, while the old fear of communism, has been replaced with a new fear of terrorism.

 

True. Hard to believe when you have the ability to see through the propaganda of the ages. But one must understand that for a culture and goupe of people to be conditioned to abide by idology and religion, makes them prone for easy manipulation. Hence, the ability for those in control of media and politics to manipulate their populations at will.

 

Stalin was a great leader that inspired millions of true communists while holding the capitalist murderers at bay .
Mao was a reformist piece of poo .

 

The difference between Hitler and those Communist heroes is national pride and strength, and of course victory in conflict. Hitler lost it all and Germany was defeated and shamed, and then came the Holocaust to make matters even worse. But Stalin, murderer though he was, had created a strong Russia that "won the war" and made Russia an international power. Mao likewise did things for China as a nation. That is what it all comes down to. People will then excuse the bad, because people are terribly biased and illogical..

 

The platitude I hear about that is "China isn't all that Communist anymore."

 

They're both mass murderers who don't deserve their fame. Stalin destroyed the prospect of socialism in the Soviet Union and killed thousands of the most active and genuine communists - including the man who created their previously democratic army, Leon Trotsky. A traitor the the communist movement.

Sure Mao lead a peasant revolution (Not communist!) but his agricultural policies caused devastating famine and he personally endorsed the most disgusting acts of violence and war crimes you can imagine. His weird 'New democracy' "communist" theory makes no sense, you can't have a proletarian revolution without proletarians. You can't go from full feudalism straight to communism - the capitalist revolution and industrialization must come first.

 

China was never communist let alone even socialist. They had a planned economy, but with no input from the people from the bottom. And the political power was held by peasants, not proletarians.
...And then they shifted to regulated capitalism as they have now, with businessmen holding the top positions of the "communist" party.

 

This is what brought USSR down and funny enough Europe will go down for the exact same reasons .
I don't know about China but in Russian tradition KGB like organisations used to exterminate political enemies existed since Ivan the Terrible , Russians kill their political rivals in the same fashion English drink tea so Stalin did nothing new .

 

I know that there was no input from the bottom in Stalin's USSR either.

 

WTF? are u joking? no comments on this one??

and no, germany does neither have an ultra liberal government nor a lot of hitler admireres...

 

You're nuts! I fought the Chicoms in Vietnam as they had more forces fighting against us then did the NVA. All the heavy military hardware was coming from the Chinese Communists to supply the NVA in North Vietnam.

 

Where were they popular? I doubt very seriously if any body in Russia thought that he was really great and Mao was a tyrant.. Both of these countries have almost no personal liberty. Their people have need had access to the truth about both of them.

 

Another 4 years of Democrat muckery and his face is liable to be on OUR money, as well.

 

Simply not true. Even while Hiter was in power, most of the north of Germany hated him. This is especially true for Hanseatic cities like Hamburg and Bremen. Most Hanseatic cities in Germany were and still are harbour cities with extremely strong Stevedoring unions.

Hitler never set foot in Hamburg, the risk of assassination was too high. He only flew through Hamburg on a high security train.

 

Communism is a stateless, classless, egalitarian society. Socialism is the stage in between capitalism and the goal of communism. According to Marxist theory the development of the productive forces (factories, etc) via capitalism is required before the transition to socialism because the scarcity inherent in pre-capitalist societies makes it impossible for people to cooperate on a high enough level to have a system where people are rewarded according to their contribution. Basically if you have all your essential emotional and physical needs satisfied you're less inclined to be selfish at the expense of others, and providing for everyone's emotional and physical needs while maintaining a modern society would be impossible without industrialization.
These countries like Vietnam were obviously not industrialized, and consequently they only had peasant revolutions dressed in red.

 

Well, couldn't we say something similar for every failed government? Before the collapse, there is an inevitable disconnect between the "little people" and the ruling class.

 

After a while here you learn to just ignore the vile antisemitism. If you get into an argument with them it just gives them more attention anyway.

 

Actually the NVA were armed by Soviet Russia and to a smaller extent Warsaw Pact countries.

Where you are confused, China allowed Soviet weapons and material to be transported through Chinese territory, by rail, to the rail head at Lao Cai on the north Vietnamese border with China. The American military could have taken the rail head out at Lao Cai but being right on the border with China the idea was dismissed.



From the 1960s to 1975, the Soviet Union was the main supplier of military hardware to North Vietnam. After the latter's victory in the war, it remained the main supplier of equipment to Vietnam. The United States had been the primary supplier of equipment to South Vietnam; some of the equipment abandoned by the United States Army and Army of the Republic of Vietnam came under control of the re-unified Viet Nam's government. The PAVN captured the South Vietnamese Army (ARVN) weapons on April 30, 1975 after Saigon was captured.

3,000+ tanks: 990 T-55 (to be upgraded to T-55M3), 480 T-72, 220 T-62, 360 Type-59 and 665 light tanks
3,600+ APC: details below, ex Soviet, ex US and IS origin
24290 Artillery
201 Helicopters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_People's_Army

 

This is true but in the case of Stalin's USSR there was no ruling class but a ruling man .

 

That is true, the party officials were more of a caste than a class and they lived in fear of their lives. Hell, Stalin even put his buddy Molotov's wife in a gulag.

 

You're not as much confused as you are uninformed of Communist China's involvement with the Vietnam War.

Between 1961 and 1972, China suppplied Hanoi with 280 122-mm howitzers, 960 57-mm antiaircraft guns, and 20,237 mortars, while the People's Liberation Army (PLA) received 200 howitzers, 2000 antiaircraft guns, and 17,000 mortars.

From the link I provide titled...The Vietnam War: A Chinese Perspective

Sub Title XIAOMING ZHANG

Look for sub paragraphs # 736 and # 737 to get the details and as a bonus look to # 745 to find that the Chicom Airforce flew more than 2138 sorties against the U.S. in Vietnam

http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/vnarticles/ChineseperspectiveonVietnam64-69.pdf

 

Not at all, there's a huge double standard in which Communists are treated much less reviled than say the fascists or Nazis were, despite killing even more people than the Nazis.

One of Obama's czar's listed Mao Zedong as one her personal inspirations. Imagine what the reaction would've been if one of Bush's appointees had listed Adolf Hitler as one of his personal favorite political theorists.

 

I could be wrong but I believe it was obama's right or should I say left hand woman Valerie Jarret that sang the praises of Mao. This jarret woman is for all intents and purpose calling all the shots for obama since he won't or can't lead on anything.

 

Anita Dunn I believe - was a dumb move, you just can't joke about mao in politics... he was no joke.