Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    And there does seem to be hope beyond the Blue Horizon!

     
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    Worse is how weak Trump looks to the rest of the world. I'm really sure that we have any allies left.
     
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    What a bunch of utter nonsense and ignorance.
    Deliberately holding back desperately needed funds for the first time since Trump became president and doing this on the year Biden became a political threat and asking Zelinsky to do him a favor the minute Zelinsky brings up his desperate need for missiles to defend his country from the
    Russian's who are breathing down his neck. How very very sad for you. Trump is admitting his guilt every day he withholds documents and witnesses. Your swallowing this??? What a foul butthole Trump has turned out to be. He's holding back missiles for a counrty on the verge of attack and control by the Russians. .
     
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    Who?
     
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    It’s been over a year since Digenovas whistle blower was going to blow it wide open. And nothing. Another bogus conspiracy theory.
    How did the black ledger get nuked? Was it determined to be fake or real?
     
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    So he sent Rudy and a couple felons?
     
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    He said he wanted an investigation now were told there had been one for months?
     
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    Sondland for one. You know, the guy who told a senator it was a QPQ
     
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    But he's moving up in the polls! ))
     
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    Seems to be a conflict. Remember this by Sondland??

    “Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind.”
     
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    There has been no investigation of Hunter Biden. There has been one of Burisma, but not of any Biden.
     
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    They won't believe the man's own texts. It does not fit what CNN, MSNBC, and DailyKos told them to think,
     
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    Lol let’s stop putting this in writing. Suddenly he sounds like a lawyer after he calls trump?
    Either way, let’s get him under oath.
     
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    Lmao the obviously lawyered up text from after he called trump? Before he basically said let’s put this in writing?
    Are we also ignoring he told Johnson it was a QPQ? Let’s ask him under oath. What’s trump afraid of? Him pleading the fifth? Because I’ll bet he does.
     
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    That's it. Let's get everyone in government under oath. Geez, the Russians did a helluva job in working to undermine American democracy and, as during the Cold War, all they have to do is target leftists.
     
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    Again, that is using the conclusion to support the evidence. You are not explaining why, even if the investigation was underway (and this reporting does not allege that some new investigation into the Bidens was already underway - just that American intelligence believed it would start shortly), that trump was precluded from doing anything wrong.


    The Ukrainian President said, today, that he knew the funds were being held up. But more to the point, we simply do not know - and the White House is blocking potential avenues from learning - whether Ukraine knew.



    Ya know, besides the fact that the money was being unilaterally and simultaneously withheld while trump asked Ukraine to investigate.
    Great. Doesnt preclude Trump, who never even mentioned the word corruption in that phone call or any of the previous meetings with the Ukrainian President, from engaging in wrongdoing.

    Look into is not a request for an investigation. Riiiiiiiiight. *wink wink*

    There are very few crimes where the feelings of the victim are dispositive when determining whether the crime occurred and abuse of power is not one of them.


    And? Even if that were true - and we did not have an intermediate event where the Ukraine prosecutor declared zero wrongdoing on behalf of the Bidens (and we do have that statement from May, three months later), then trump requesting Ukraine to "do something" into JOE BIDEN (hint: not the same as the Burisma oil investigation) is still improper.
    Unlike in the Trump-Russia situation where Putin himself directed his government to act illegally to help Trump in the election, the assistance to Hillary Clinton was the result of an official investigation and not directed by the top of the Ukrainian government.

    Requesting a foreign power provide campaign assistance in the form of an investigation against your domestic political opponent while you simultaneously and unilaterally hold up hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid and then trying to hide, lie about, and obstruct the investigation is an abuse of power and obstruction of justice. Both impeachable offenses.

    Trump was reacting in real time to public and internal polling showing that he would lose massively and in key swing states to the Democratic frontrunner. He also had the same reason for bringing up Elizabeth Warren with China.
     
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    Has the investigation into Burisma been completed?
     
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    You think I made 25000 posts under a new screen name?
     
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    Trump is the one facing a nation where the majority of its citizens want him impeached and removed from office.
     
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    Let’s start with the guy in text messages sounding awful suspicious and go from there.
     
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    Biden? Zalinsky? Everyone is being investigated. They've already had a go at Trump.
     
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    Impeachment by poll, huh? Sounds good. Dems should go for it.
     
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    Is this parody?
     

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