Does Jesus rank on the list of worst torturers of all time?

In other words, that all-loving god didn't care about his "children" enough to simply tell them that slavery was wrong, anytime in the preceding 100,000+ years of human existence. So he's probably not moral as advertised, and if he's not as advertised he's probably not actually real.

 

But Jesus wasn't. What Christianity has made him up to be is different to his real purpose. Drawing the Hebrews back to their god.

Would you have done. You've come with a spiritual message, nothing to do with politics, and the first thing you say to the people is 'you must get rid of 2 millenia of slavery'. His credibility would have dropped to zero/zilch. Hardly a way to get your spiritual message over.

 

Good thing Abe Lincoln wasn't immoral like Jesus, then.
So why would he say "turn the other cheek", if he was so (according to you) terribly concerned about upsetting the moral code of the time? Why say to "love your neighbor", and not ALSO "don't make a slave out of him either"!?

 

Are you serious!?

 

We were talking about the Bible, Jews and Jesus. We do not have details of gods conversing with other religions as we do with the Hebrews. We have some in creation stories which, some on steles, tablets where the writer declares 'god ...... said to me'.

Does god exist? Who knows?

 

Jesus was a teacher (Rabbi). Rabbi was actually a term used later, in use when the gospels were written, thus we have it in the NT.

Bed time.

 

Uhh... you can't think of ANY reason why somebody would criticize an ideology? I don't believe in Nazism, but I'm incredibly critical of it.

Pretty sure that people know of this dissonance.

Okay, and we aren't criticizing the ill-knowledge of people themselves 2,000 years ago. What we are critical of, what I am critical of, is the CLAIM that an all loving God endorsed slavery. I couldn't give a damn about civilizations being behind morally, that's not what I'm criticizing.

 

That's hilarious. Thanks for sharing.

 

That's hardly the same. Would you say that the Nazis are just "myths and fairy tales"? If so, you have a point, but I doubt that's what you think.

 

Sure, it all came from God's very own lips except all of the crazy hateful parts and the ones that are silly and ridiculous and asinine and conflict with the few parts that are likable. I gotta go break my new born donkey's neck. Can't find a lamb to redeem it with.

 

Since things are so different now why would any sane person believe in such ancient fairy tales? My neighbor invited me over for some boiled goat yesterday. It gave me the runs. He had boiled it in its mother's milk like he thought it said to do in Exodus 34:26.

 

I don't know many kids who can read the bible, let alone understand its convoluted text and arcane metaphors.

What I find immoral is that the bible is used so selectively by many Christians. When confronting Christians with the horrors wrought upon mankind by god in the OT and its unilateral "covenant", they always default to Jesus teachings redefining that covenant, and yet many of those very same Christians cherry pick certain passages that clearly run counter to Jesus teachings and treat them as gospel also. this kind of contradiction and hypocrisy is more than mildly irritating especially when so self righteously proclaimed.

 

I'm not sure what your point is. Of course Nazis aren't "myths and fairy tales", but they existed and they enforced their ideology, some of it formed by mythological bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I disagree with the ideologies of Christianity and Nazism.

 

Of course you may be lactose intolerant.

A Ugarit text tells us that in the Levant 'boiling a kid in its mothers milk' was a fertility rite to the gods. This was strictly forbidden under Jewish Law. This actually fits in with the context of the chapter. What they can - and cannot do v 12,14-17, 25-26

 

Correct, we don't know....so god doesn't care enough about his supposed "children" enough to clear this up for us. If YOUR children kept looking like fools arguing whether you (their parent) even existed or not, they you'd clear that up for them, once and for all, with no real doubt, if you loved them a lot. God does not love us and does not exist.

 

Which is a myth or fairy tale, and which is true....and more importantly, how can you tell the difference?
Talking donkeys vs. a magic bean stalk that grows to the clouds
Angels that fly around with wings vs. fairies that fly around with wings
Unicorns in the Bible vs. unicorns in a fairy tale
Dragons in the Bible vs. dragons in Middle Earth

 

Thanatophobia.

 

A good and smart rule to live by, is if anyone tells you god told em something, and they wrote it down, run for your life!! For we know historically what always follows this. Humans being murdered cause god told someone to do it.

So, if it can be written down, it really isn't from God. He doesn't speak human language. And we cannot understand His.

 

Jesus threatens that he is going to throw people into a lake of fire? Citation please?

 

Mark 9:43

 

"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire"

This doesn't say that Jesus is going to throw anyone into fire.

It is warning against ending up in the fire.

 

It's a book called "The Bible", you might have heard of it. You can pick one up in the fiction section of your local Costco store, apparently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SScGIAEB6uM

 

Can you cite the specific text where Jesus threatens to throw people into a lake of fire?

 

So Jesus is not all-powerful and/or all-moral like the Bible claims, or he'd of course put a stop to the ridiculous nonsense of all non-Christians ending up in a lake of fire, obviously. I of course would, if I had that ability, because like most Modern Secular Humanists, I'm far more moral than Jesus apparently is.

Longshot, if I had the ability to pull you out of the Biblical lake of fire I'd do it, because I care about people....if YOU were given that power would you pull ME out of the Biblical lake of fire? Would you? I know what Wyrd and GraspingforPeace would do, by the way.
(PS Getting me to believe in magic is not an option, by the way.)

 

When Mohammad had 600+ CAPTIVES be-headed in one day, he had his minions do it. Likewise, Jesus has his own minions do his dirty work for him.

Also, if YOUR "children" were unclear, uncertain, about would they or would they not be thrown into a lake of fire (pretty serious concern, right!) for which superhero they believe in, would YOU in no uncertain terms provide them with enough evidence so that they'd really KNOW what the real answer was, or would you keep your "children" constantly unsure, like Jesus obviously does? Which is it, Longshot? You know what I would do, of course.