Does Religious Freedom Supercede Gender Identity?

Its the same harm as if you call him names he is offended by. It pisses him off, it upsets and undermines his own power of self-determination and strips him of his dignity as a man capable of deciding what he wants to be called. You are deciding what is best for him and that subjugates his rights to determine that for himself.

I call that harmful selfish and incredibly arrogant.

 

As I stated in the OP this example was used as the lefts agenda was enacted IN PART in this law.

 

That’s fine as long as it’s understood that you’re playing pretend. But the left doesn’t want us to play pretend. They want us to accept it as truth or pay the consequences.

 

By the way, I have spent almost 3 decades dealing with geriatric care, in various ways. I must have dealt with a thousand or more caregivers, nurses, Certified nursing aids, Med techs, etc that deal with these issues. I doubt I have met three that would get stubborn about something like this. These care staff want to get Sally out of bed, change her, shower her, get her dressed, check her blood glucose, and give her her meds, and ready for a good meal and they want to accomplish this with as little melodrama and tension as possible so both the resident and they get to have a better day. Its almost impossible for me to imagine getting into a power struggle over a pronoun or a name would be on their personal list of crusades.

professional Caregivers don't think like that.

 

It’s not about that. Let’s say for instance we are in a meeting in a private office where Mr. Green who wants to be referred to as Mrs Green can’t hear us. On what grounds do you think you have the right to force me within that context to use female pronouns for a man? We are talking about his care and how we are going to address his issues without him being present. There’s no cause me to refer to him as a her in such a situation. And to suggest you should be able to prosecute me for not doing so is preposterous and unconstitutional.

 

That makes no sense whatsoever!

YOUR deity decides to force someone who he creates as a male to believe that he is a female and then accuses him of SINNING because he believes what your sick deity created him to be which is a female in a male body!

If there is any "sin" it is entirely on the part of your sick deity for messing with someone's mind like this.

 

I agree a business can do whatever it wants. The government however should take no position on it.

 

Of course it does. Some people are born with a propensity towards violence, some attracted to children; some are disabled, some are mentally ill, some are perfectly healthy but are in an abusive family...

We all have issues we must overcome and saying “I was born that way” is no excuse.

 

Let me tell you. If I caught you using any other pronoun, or name other than what the resident requested, on the premises or on the clock, I would begin a series of disciplinary actions. You don't get to make that call, because the resident pays both of us to work for her on that clock, on those premises. I will protect her dignity and right to be called what she asks to be called, over your obstinance. Find another job, but don't think because she can't hear you, I as your boss won't care that you are disrespecting her.

Its not about you unless you are paying the bills, or they are being paid in your name.

 

Once again you demonstrate a significant ABSENCE of relevant subject matter knowledge.

The Hyde Amendment PROHIBITS the use of Federal taxpayer funds for abortions thereby ensuring that NO theists are "supporting" it.

That does not prevent theists from having abortions if they CHOOSE to do so and statistics show that 62% of women with religious beliefs like yours have abortions of their own free will.

https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014

YOU don't get to decide for women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies because that would be IMPOSING your own religious beliefs on others in VIOLATION of their Constitutional Rights.

 

It has nothing to do with disrespect. And again you’re being inconsistent.

So if Patient X wanted to be called the Pope and treated as such, when you and I were discussing her in private you would expect me to say Pope John Paul needs so and so?

Of course you wouldn’t. You would expect me to say whatever his ACTUAL name was. You wouldn’t expect me to do so unless I was interacting with the patient. Your excuse just a minute ago was that you treat the delusional patient within their delusion. Which I don’t necessarily disagree with, however outside of interacting with the patient you don’t engage in that delusion.

And if you did you should be fired because you don’t treat a male patient like a female patient just because he thinks he’s female. He still needs his prostate checked doesn’t he?

Are you going to refuse to allow me to talk about his prostate exam he needs because he thinks he’s a female?

 

Planned parenthood receives taxpayer funds and does so while committing abortion. Don’t play that with me.

And sure we do. That’s why we don’t allow doctors to perform procedures on perfectly healthy people even if they request it.

 

Geez the actual name of this resident is sitting on the medical chart. This is no different than if Lucille hated being called Lucille but preferred Lucy. Then she will be called Lucy out of respect. You don't get a say whether she is in the room or not. You call her what she prefers, period end of story.

You do not decide who gets called a he and who gets called a she, because you do not decide her gender. If the doctor says she has gender dysphoria, then that is what she has. Its just not your place, as an employee

 

So then does Gary still get to have his prostate exam discussed if Gary claims he’s Sally?

Are we not allowed to discuss it with him? How about with our coworkers?

 

Sad that you have to keep on MOVING the GOALPOSTS because you cannot defend the sick things that your deity is imposing on innocent people who have committed no "sin".

Being born disabled or mentally ill are now "sins" according to your beliefs because that is exactly what you are saying in the content above.

Glad I don't embrace bizarre "beliefs" like those.

 

I didn’t say they’re sinful. I said they’re obstacles to overcome.

 

You get to discuss Gary's care with Gary as he wants it discussed. If he says he's sally then that is what you call him. If you have a medical need to discuss more with a medical professional that will impact Gary's health you may do so. You do nothing out of a self centered right to prove yourself correct about someone elses gender identity.

 

Thank you for establishing that you do not have any relevant subject matter knowledge when it comes to abortion.

PP receives federal funds for performing HEALTHCARE SERVICES, not abortions.

The funds that PP uses for abortions come from DONATIONS from people like MYSELF!

That you are UNAWARE of these FACTS says volumes.

Furthermore doctors perform procedures on perfectly healthy people ALL the time. Every heard of COSMETIC SURGERY?

Abortions are LEGAL and the MAJORITY of women who have them share the same theist beliefs as you do!

 

So when I’m talking to the medical professional about Gary’s prostate exam. Do we discuss it in term of Sally and her prostate exam? Or do we get to live in REALITY and talk about Gary and his prostate exam?

 

Jesus Christ. The funds that planned parenthood receives for “healthcare services” are funds which WOULD have to be paid with the private donations if they weren’t getting taxpayer money. Instead PP uses those funds for abortions because they don’t have to pay for healthcare services. It’s essentially paying for abortion.

That’s tantamount to a church getting taxpayer funds for engaging in a charity that they should be funding with their own money but instead they’re using government funds while using their own funds to pay for church improvements and evangelical work.

Stop being dishonest.

 

Now you are DENYING the content of your own posts?

Isn't denying the content of your own posts a "sin"?

 

No. Pay attention. Engaging in homosexuality is sinful. Having a physical disability is not. Which is what I was referring to. It is, however, an obstacle to overcome.

 

It is YOU that is being utterly DISHONEST now!

PP provides HEALTHCARE SERVICES which would otherwise have to be provided by TAXPAYERS!

It is NO DIFFERENT to Medicare patients receiving healthcare services that are paid for by taxpayers.

The ONUS is entirely on YOU to PROVE that the fund PP receives are used for abortions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

 

Okay that’s easy. If they didn’t receive taxpayer funding, where would the funds come from to do healthcare services? The funds they currently use to do abortions. Right?

If they had to keep up the same level of healthcare services without taxpayer funding they wouldn’t have enough money to do abortions would they?

 

You just can't STOP moving your goalposts?

We are talking about GENDER DYSPHORIA!

YOU are calling that a "sin" because you believe that it is a "sin" to call someone with gender dysphoria by the PRONOUN that they self identity with.

It is NO DIFFERENT to being born with a physical disability!

AND it is YOU that cannot overcome your SELF IMPOSED OBSTACLE of denying that individual the dignity and respect they deserve because of your own bizarre interpretation of your "beliefs" on this matter!

On top of that you are implying that someone with gender dysphoria who lives as the gender they self identify with as "sinning".

Those are your own responses that you are DENYING now!

On top of this you go and accuse others of being dishonest!

Sad!