Donbass. Here it is what you do not know.

Ehm ... maybe a language problem, so again:

I don't tell that the Donbass did not demand federalization ... but the grammar here is important: Do they still demand today and right now, after all the killed people and flood of blood only federalization? Here I have doubts, ok now?

 

Of course, someone requires separation from the Ukraine, but they do not "make the weather".

Donbas can not break away from Ukraine without solutions Poroshenko, the State Department USA ... or the military forces of Russia.

(*)None of these three factors play on "break away".

 

And what official Ukraine has to do with Russian merc such as Strelkov who are running Russian tanks, Buks, BM-21, SA-22? This mercs shot down civilian MH17

Russian mercs don`t fight for Federalization. They have been at Donbass since the April 2014, they assaulted official buildings, intimidated people and instigated official counter-terroristic actions later.

 

1)Mercenaries are fighting for money. Correctly?

2)Who pays to Russian mercenaries? Who gives Russian tanks, Buks, BM-21, SA-22? - Russia .
3)Russia is seeking execution of the "Minsk agreements".
4)Minsk agreement - this it is the federalization.

Therefore Russian mercenaries helpes to Donbass to fighting for federalization.(as a state in the United States. )

PS
Mr. VSilver, You may to plug your robot now again.
".... Russia invaded Ukraine ....."

 

If some foreign people capture state buildings in any country (Russia, USA, Germany), if they intimidate "do not come to us, do not fly in our sky", if they kill civilians, shoot down civilian jets, as Russians mercs (or Russian volunteers) do - they were treated as terrorists and have to be eliminated.

Look Strelkov's interview, he didn't fight for Federative Ukraine, he fight against Ukraine at all. He was from Russia, his actions on the Ukrainian territory was illegal, and he is guilty for MH17 crash.

 

And ”Russia invaded Ukraine" is the strong fact admitted by EU and USA.

Russia had occupied part of Ukraine, organized untrusted Referendum and annexed it.

Russia runs conflict against Ukraine by providing Russian military personal and vehicles (tanks, MLRSs, anti-aircraft systems) to the East of Ukraine.

There is a lot of evidence, so Russia is faced with sanctions. Russia is in the state of another Cold War with the West

 

Therefore Russian mercenaries helpes to Donbass to fighting for federalization.(as a state in the United States. )

PS
Mr. VSilver, You may to plug your robot now again.
".... Russia invaded Ukraine ....."

Mister robot VSilver , I replied to all your messages.
You have not answered my only one questions.

Lugansk and Donbass would like become a federal state in Ukraine, as a state in the United States.
Is it a crime?

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https://facebookreporter1389.wordpr...ters-occupy-donetsk-city-executive-committee/
http://www.peacekeeper.ru/en/?module...=view&id=22818

 

Federalization is not a crime. It is internal issue for Ukrainian policy.
But crime was made by such Russians Strelkovs - they did crimes against Ukrainian sovereignty, they did crimes against civilians such as MH17 crash. Ukrainian officials had to eliminate Russian terrorists armed with illegal lethal weapons.

Russia, USA, Germany have to eliminate such terrorists as Strelkov if they did similar to MH17 air crash on their territory.

 

You have to understand something about russian mind..it's not rational..where there are russian mongols..be it minority or majority..they seem to have this "right to govern"..wherever they may be...like in East Europe there that is how they think...a russian cannot assimilate with other ethnic groups..psychologically incapable.

 

Lugansk and Donbass would like become a federal state in Ukraine, as a state in the United States.
Is it a crime?

Good. We assume that you have answered - "No!"

In this case, the government in Kiev, Poroshenko become criminals , because Poroshenko did not discuss the issue of federalization of Ukraine - he sent punitive troops to Donbass. It is logical?

 

Yes, of course, federalization is not a crime. It was Ukrainian internal issue and Ukraine would solve it with out any Russian intervention.

But there was a real crime: Russian citizens assaulted Ukrainian state buildings in April 2014, using illegal weaponry supplied by Russian authority, and it resulted in MH17 crashed by Russian Strelkov`s thugs.

Ukraine had to react to that crimes, Ukrainian forces had to eliminate Russian illegal mercs to protect the order.

Russian mercs kidnapped some Ukrainian citizens in April 2014, tortured and kill them. It was not about federalization. It was the crime and such illegal Russian mercs had to be eliminated.

Kidnapping of Ukrainian patriots has Russia's full support


An anti-terrorist operation to be re-launched on Tuesday, after two bodies were found "brutally tortured by pro-Russian" militants near the eastern city of Slaviansk.

 

At the end of April near Slavyansk in the river End face found three bodies with signs of identical tortures. Subsequently established that two bodies belong 42 - to the summer deputy of the Gorlovsky City Council To Vladimir Rybak and 19 - to the summer student from Kiev Yury Popravk. Still after a while found out that tortured it was the third 25.

The SBU suspects the lieutenant colonel Main intelligence service of Russia Igor Bezler (call sign «Demon» ) and also Igor Girkin (a call sign - «Arrows» ) in participation in murder deputy of the Gorlovsky City Council Vladimir Rybak.

https://news.pn/en/criminal/103460

 

12 april 2014

illegal armed men assaulted Ukrainian state building. It turned out to be Russian Strelkov`s group.

[video=youtube;8Mygp-skH-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mygp-skH-g[/video]

This is not about the Federalization. This is the terrorism resulted in MH17 crash.

 

About illegal weaponry used by Russia against Ukraine.

Unique Russian T-72B3. Ukraine dosn`t operate it.


We can see T-72B3, main Russian tank, in the war against Ukraine.

[video=youtube;0x_p3uwMUQs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x_p3uwMUQs[/video]

[video=youtube;w2rUxvxFZ68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2rUxvxFZ68[/video]

 

Russia is helping residents of Donbass as USA helped the Albanians in Kosovo.
Russia does not bomb Kiev, as the USA bombed Belgrade.
This is the difference.

 

"to protect the order" ?

If that were the case. If Poroshenko would fought against the "Strelkov", than Poroshenko would not shoot by large caliber artillery on residential areas of Donetsk.
However, Poroshenko shoot to Donetsk.It is a fact.

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The tragedy of civil aircraft MH17- this is your trump card.

Poroshenko specially rigged the tragedy of the civil airliner mh17 to mask him true purpose.
The purpose of Poroshenko:
All the inhabitants fled from the Donbass to Russia.To nobody demanded federalization .

 

Is it because Putin is a rational person? Just curious to know why? I mean Kiev is under the control of Fascists then why not bomb it?

Ok, let me think about this more...Then Putin could be sending FSB(Russian special forces also) agents to go after all Fascists in Europe. Since, it is Fascists supporting Kiev.

Or is it because Kiev is not under Fascist control then?

Is it just Ukrainian nationalism? Or Fascism?

 

The Bombing city - this is fascism.
(*)Putin is not a fascist.

 

So, Russia helps Donbass with tanks, MLRSs, anti-aircraft systems and military personal. This is the Russia`s war against Ukraine from April 2014 and not the war for "Ukrainian Federation". This is good that you admitted it.

 

The MH17 crash is the tragedy.
Russian invasion to Ukraine with Russian personal (Strelkov`s group and others) with Russian T-72B3, Buks, SA-22 resulted in this tragedy.

 

Over the Donbass some military aircraft were shot down.
Poroshenko did not close the airspace over the Donbas (above the military area) .
Poroshenko not closed airspace for civil aircraft intentionally. Another reason not.

 

What for the war ? if not for "Ukrainian Federation"?

 

Speaking of the President of Ukraine - Poroshenko.
Poroshenko is shouting that the Russian is aggressor, that Russia invaded Ukraine, but ...

..but Poroshenko is not shouting that he has profit from confectionery factory in Russia.


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Poroshenko is suing in court against the Tax Service of the Russian Federation,,,,

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/289529.html

 

PS
Poroshenko pays taxes to the budget of the aggressor country.
Strange War ....