Down another 400, thanks Tea Party!

Man this is painful. It's like trying to teach Sarah Palin to rap like Eminem.

 

Agreed.

This is what pisses me off when I watch the news. You have a bunch of ignorant **********s running their mouths and they don't have a clue about the basics. Its like Michelle Bachmann saying we should just NOT raise the debt ceiling. Its just the pervasive ignorance.

Now our young lady friend is not some kind of freakish mental defective. Quite to the contrary. She probably possesses the same intelligence and general lack of common knowledge that a lot of people have. What's disturbing is people like her and Michelle Bachmann have no clue how ignorant they really are. If there is a thread I know nothing about. I don't post in it. But time and time again this ********** woman just keeps spouting off about fiscal policy. I had to expose her ignorance... had to.

 

Rates on long term bonds always increase. That's why they are long term bonds. No lender is going to interests rates low forever.

Bond Basics You might need to look at this before getting into a debate with someone who knows what they are talking about.

No 30 year creditor will lend the US money at rates that low. They will simply increase over time. I don't know why I have to explain this over and over.

 

Ay Yi Yi!!! It just doesn't end with this one.

 

How did you expose my ignorance? All you did was just show that you have no ideas of your own, you just google search whatever makes you sound coherent and you've proven that you don't have a basic grasp of even the most basic knowledge of the OMO or Bond Market.

 

Well if it is the tea party that is causing all the problems, that is proof positive that the idiot odrama is a totally ineffective leader. And if its not the tea party causing all the problems, which they're not, that is proof positive that the incompetent fool odrama is a totally ineffective leader.

 

And how is that different from OMO and Federal funds rate? It's not.

You just like wasting time arguing about things you know nothing about.

 

Why do you keep talking about ignorance? Why do you think everyone is ignorant?

What part of:

We are trying to stop the growth of the Social Democratic Welfare State in America by any means necessary within the realm of Constitutional Law, do you not understand?

We KNOW you think we're ignorant buffons, we KNOW you are scared and angry and think we're destroying America.

The fact is yes, we are destroying America, we are destroying the LIBERAL VISION of America that has been created over the last 70 years and replacing it with a truly sustianable economic model based on the reality that human beings cannot centrally plan the economy of 310 million consumers making individual decisions ever day. That is a force you can't control to the degree you would like without the imposition of a benevolent totalitarianism.

I want Socal Democracy in America killed, with predjudice and if it takes wasting portions of the economy then so be it.

I don't want to live in an America where the average American pays 60-70% of his paycheck in taxes and that is exactly where we will end up by 2020 if someone doesn't do something drastic, like use the debt ceiling to stop Social Democracy in it's tracks.

 

You lose again dude: it was the **********s and it's all over the wires :"The Downgrading of the Tea Party"

 

Hey, liar. When are you going to retract your false accusations?

 

Here is a graph of the interest rate going DOWN on the 30 year bond.



You're ignorance is breathtaking. I can't believe you just keep mindlessly posting this stuff.

 

That's just the rate it's at market value when bonds are sold. The yield curve is what makes interests rates go up. At first interest rates will remain the same with low yields. Over time yield curve makes interest rates increase on 30 year bonds, which is what I've been saying in the first place.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...rest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=realyield

I'm really just wasting my time here.

 

Who loses?

You know the Democrats are all done in 2012, just like 2010. You simply can't win elections with unemployment at 9.2%, under employment 16.2%, a cumulative national debt that was $7.45 Trillion in 2009 $14 Trillion now and will be neat $17 trillion by election day. Gasoline hovering at $4 a gallon even though we have enough natural gas to power vehicles for 100 years right now with no more drilling. A simple commitment to power all federally owned vehicles in 10 years or less would drive down the prices of gasoline and foster mass production of CNG vehicles putting Detroit back to work, but he won't do it. Food prices skyrocket while they subsidize ethanol @ $.45 a gallon. Their staunch refusal to make the kinds of cuts in their run away spending caused our credit rating to be downgraded for the first time in history.

The failures of the Democrat policies simply can not be hidden.

What it is........is what it is!

 

I have never heard a more mangled explanation of the bond market. The yield curve does NOT "make interest rates go up." Who is telling you this stuff? Seriously, this isn't even a partisan issue anymore. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

 

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/y/yieldcurve.asp#axzz1UUKDbNPh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_curve

Oh yeah I have no idea what I'm talking about.

You don't even know much big of a joke you are. You have to have another joke supporting your rhetoric or else you basically have nothing.

 

No you aren't. I find it all very entertaining... and learning a bit. You will continue.

 

You may want to reREAD your links. The yield curve does NOT "make interest rates go up," down, sideways or anywhere else. That's like saying the weather report made it rain.

 

I'm no supporter of any t-bagger movement. However, I don't believe it is only their fault. Boosh and the Republotards are also to blame when they created big government, ran up $5+Trillion in debt, alowed a mortgage fraud, created 2 wars, and screwed up relations for the USA around the world.

I believe the Democraps are also to blame allowing the republotards to continue tax cuts for others but me, and allowing tax loopholes for their base and the base of T-baggers and Republotards.

I also blame Obama for not man up and put these oppositional defient senators and representatives in their place, calling them what they are, and telling the Public what these fools are proposing was a bunch of BS wattered down policies that protect the politicians rather than Americans. Obana wanted $4+trillion cut and cut the tax breaks, that is what he should have got. Not a BS plan from Boner and Reed.

IMO If American were smarter they would vote out all the incumbents and relics who have been there since the 1960s and 1970s and get a new set of corporate backed politicians who would have a choice, do someting for Americans or get voted out. If Americans do this than Corporations will think twice before paying a politician to run for office.

Take back America Vote them all out untill they do the right thing for Americans. Don't buy into all the broadcast media hype and canpain mud slinging. Wise up.

 

No, that's why my first link showed. If you weren't too busy just trying to disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing you'd actually learn something by now.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

 

You are wrong. I don't know how I can be any clearer. The yield curve does NOT "make interest rates increase on 30 year bonds."

 

I checked out your link. Here is what it showed.

That was a good link. It showed how the 30 yr bond interest rate came down quite nicely after S&P's phoney "downgrade." Do you mind if I use this in other threads?

 

Maybe I wasn't clear or maybe you had no idea how to actually read the data I presented to you.

The Yield Curve itself doesn't increase interests rates. The Yield Curve merely shows the relationship between the interests rates, maturity of the bonds and the yield percentage. The treasury uses a normal yield curve which means short-term debt instruments have a lower yield than long-term debt instruments of the same credit quality. It's considered normal because the market expects more compensation for the greater risk of having long-term bonds. This leads to such as changes in interest rates and an increased exposure to potential defaults.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...rest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=realyield

The statistics presented shows a text example of a normal yield curve. As maturity increases the yield percentage increases. Which increases the risk of said bond which increases the interests rate. So you are wrong when you say Yield Curve doesn't make interests rates who "any which way" because there are also Invented Yields (negative yield curves) and Flat Yields.

Learned something yet?

 

You have no idea how to read the charts, which doesn't surprise me. That's the interest rates.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...rest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=realyield

This is the Yield Curve percentage. You have to select the tab to get the right statistics.

 

I am trying to follow you. You just contradicted yourself. Which one of this statements are you going to stick with?

 

I don't know how to read the chart?! Interesting. How do you explain this?

Looks to me like the interest rate going down after a phoney "downgrade."

The financial press seems to agree with my analysis.