Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why Joe Rogan and I sat down and talked -- for more than 3 hours

I understand all that. Doesn’t change the facts I’ve presented. He is obese by BMI. Period. Doesn’t mean I think he’s fat or out of shape or anything. It’s just facts. BMI is used as the metric in the EUA for monoclonal antibody eligibility. It’s irrelevant what you or I think of using BMI. It’s just the way it is.

Have you listened to the podcast? It’s really good, I highly recommend it. Rogan is probably the best interviewer there is and he did a great job on this one.

 

He's something of an influencer, I suppose, in modern terms. He might serve a role model for the impressionable. On the other hand, he is a much more genuine, sensible, down-to-earth kind of guy than a character like Alex Jones, and he doesn't espouse crazy views or false claims. He does this talk show, essentially, where he interviews famous and interesting people of all sorts.

 

I copied and pasted it from your post, so how is it not what you said?

 

and you misread

Risk of death from Covid - lower than risk of death from the vax - for aformentioned subgroup.

You claim otherwise in the OP - back up your claim.. what are the numbers. What is one's risk of harm from covid vs from vax for someone not afflicted with comorb/obesity/pneumonia succeptibility.

It matters not what I said ..it is up to you to back up your claim.

 

That’s what he said on the podcast. Told people not to take his advice.

Well, Seth didn’t say anything but you know that.

 

You back up your claim. How is risk from the vaccine higher than risk from the virus itself? Show your math.

 

I can back up my claim --- but that is not how it works.. My claim is that your claim is false .. in your OP .. it is not up to me to falsify your claim ( something I can and will do later) -- it is up to you to show your claim true.

In the OP you claim

Why should one choose vaccination over the possibility of catching covid unvaxed - if one has no comorb/pneumonia susceptibility/ Obesity..

 

No I didn't. I studiously do NOT listen to some people. Tough guy impersonator celebrities are one

 

Oh. I didn’t know Dr. Gupta was a tough guy impersonator. Thanks for pointing that out. LOL

 

Joe Rogan is a fighter, his kicks sound like gunshots.



Obese. Hilarious.

 

Certainly there is an idiot about, but, I don't think it's Joe Rogan. Your claim is fake news. He was vaccinated and he did not take "horse wormer". It takes a real "talent" to fall so easily for lies and slander from fake news in service of the most demeaning extremists on the Left. You really should show yourself more respect.

Joe Rogan’s Dust-Up With CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta Exposes the Narrative.

“After Rogan’s video went viral, the corporate and left-wing media led with stories about Rogan taking “horse dewormer,” mocking and denigrating him. The narrative—that COVID-19 is deadly with few available treatments—demands it. Networks also hate Rogan, who draws more eyes and ears than any cable news host.”

​

 

Fake News. Rogan was vaccinated when he contracted COVID. It's your inability to get simply facts straight before you parrot the latest idiocy from CNN that is exactly why Rogan will never waste his audience's time with an interview with someone like you. If all you are going to due is recite fake news sound bytes, you have nothing to offer that isn't available from a million others who aspire no higher.

IS A LIBEL SUIT NEXT? This is fake news: Joe Rogan gets CNN’s chief medical correspondent to admit CNN lied about ivermectin.

No one should be dumb enough to still view Fake News CNN as a credible news source. They are liars, slanderers, idiots and fools.

"It’s time to rethink libel law. The New York Times v. Sullivan regime was the product of a time when people trusted the press to be reasonably professional. That time is ancient history now."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/479476/

 

Because COVID unvaxed is about a 1-5% chance of dying. And that is MUCH higher than anything that isn't actually chronic, like most cancers, MS/ALS etc.which mostly kill you slowly so you die from a declining quality of life, that is, your aging is speeded up some

 

I' am referring to Rogane there, not Dr. Gupta

 

Yep. Like I said he’s an animal. It’s hard to believe he could be categorized with the 300 lb lady riding the electric cart down the aisle of Walmart on a mission to get more Little Debbie snacks. BMI can cut both ways. At times I’m considered underweight by BMI. Putting on muscle or fat can move me into normal weight. BMI is a rule of thumb that can’t determine the health or fitness of outliers. Clearly Rogan is one such case.

But doesn’t change the fact that by the definitions we use to determine BMI he’s obese. And would have been eligible for monoclonal antibodies.

Just out of curiosity do you follow MMA or the UFC in particular? Rogan and DC are my favorite commentator duo ever.

Oh, Rogan was a fighter when young. Gave it up to save his health.

 

I figured. Just joshin ya.

 

Bit of a strawman linking Covid theories that don't follow the party line with 9/11 and the Moon Landing. Why not link your Covid theories with the left's theory about Collusion, if you want to talk about conspiracy theories.

Maybe we should listen to the experts that said to maintain a social distance of six feet? A distance that was pulled out of someone's arse.

BTW, when is Joe Biden going to get the Pandemic under control?

 

"Follow the party line" is, verbatim, moon hoax and 9/11 conspiracy theorist talk. It's the same basic thought pattern every time, namely an emotional need or desire to hold some "alternative" set of beliefs about the world. In the CT's mind, it elevates him or her above the "sheeple" out there who "follow the party line." They're smarter than those sheeple who "believe what they're told" in the "official narrative." Whether it's flat earthers, 9/11 truthers, moon landing truthers, JFK truthers or anti-vaccine truthers, they think and talk the same way, and they all believe in vast conspircies involving untold numbers of people in positions of power and trust allegedly conspiring together to fool the rest of the world, and their alleged motives for doing so are invariably money and power.

 

1-5% is huge. Chance of dying from Covid is 750,000 dead ~ 180 million cases = 1 in 240 or 2400 per million or 0.41% .. so close at the low end - raw numbers like this don't tell much though . for example was much more lethal in the beginning .. ( Note - the discrepency is that you didn't factor in a multiplyer for number of total cases -- 45 million .. ranges from 3-10 - depending on a number of factors - I used 4 x 45 = 180 million - if we calculated using 2 it would be 0.81% ... 3 - 0.61% )

anyway .. That is not the chances of dying for someone without issues - comorbidity/Obesity/Pneumonia susceptibility. (group A)

So of the 100 in 24,000 - who die - 3 are not in group A. = 3 in 24,000 . 9 our of 10 who die from covid die from pneumonia - (but it is not a comorbidity) = 3 in 240,000

and since 77% are Obese .. can cut that number back further .. and likely a few old folks having none of the Group A characteristics .. .. but this is roughly the odds of someone not in group A dying .. 1 in 100,000.. and that is fairly conservative .. could be as high as 1 in 500,000 when other factors considered.

Now what is chance of dying from Vax ?

 

Seriously?The clinical criteria for obesity are much lower than the average person hopes.

 

"Follow the party line" is a phrase coined by left wing communists and well describes the sort of group think one observes in many of today's liberals.

Once again, you lump a bunch of conspiracy theories together as if someone who believes in one conspiracy theory would believe in multiple conspiracy theories -- leaving out of course liberal conspiracy theories like collusion. Lumping all of these theories together along with some pseudo psychology and applying them to attack people who disagree with you on the benefits of a covid vaccination is an appeal to ridicule and appeal to emotion fallacy, with a bit of a strawman fallacy thrown in.

Since you mention JFK, I have to point out that it is liberals who came up with the conspiracy theories regarding the JFK murder, i.e., being unwilling to face the fact that a single Communist killed the President.

 

The OP was about Joe Rogan. Not Seth Rogan.

 

Who in hell are either of them?

 

Pretty funny.

 

I don't see "liberals" out claiming that collusion happened, at least on this forum. I argue the facts, myself, such as Paul Manafort having shared polling data with Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign. As for Trump himself, he publicly asked Russia to find Hillary's alleged missing emails, but I doubt that qualifies as collusion.

Anyway, while people who embrace one conspiracy theory tend to embrace others as well, my main point is that they're all predicated on the same logical fallacies. They all assume some great number of people all around the world are conspiring to deceive the rest of humanity and are getting away with it, except of course for their very smart selves and their very smart peers who have worked it all out thanks to Facebook, Twitter, blogs, alternative news sites, YouTube channels, etc. The internet being the largely open and unmoderated entity that it is, people can find all manner of misinformation and disinformation to believe in if they so choose.

The facts do not support anti-vaxxer claims any more than they do Trump's electoral fraud claims or the claims of 9/11 truthers or moon landing hoax proponents. At best, they fail to understand all of the facts at hand, reject facts without good cause that don't support their beliefs, and embrace falsehoods that do support their beliefs, because they are personally invested in their beliefs and do not want to give them up at any cost. They imagine they are pursuing truth while, in reality, they are pursuing emotional satisfaction of some sort by embracing a specific belief.

The anti-vaccine conspiry theory is an old one already, too. The damned Soviets started that **** decades ago. Look it up.