Drug Prohibition is Illogical

so youd rather just let it go to (*)(*)(*)(*)?

 

Space cash?

 

We don't need government to build our airplanes, we don't need it to build our bridges and trains.

 

Keeping in practice with the non sequiturs, I see...

"We don't need dentists to wash our cars, so we don't need them to fix our teeth."

Brilliant.

 

You are begging the question.

 

And we don't need them prohibiting drugs, either.

 

so youd rather just let it go to (*)(*)(*)(*)?

 

never said we did.

 

why are you opposed to government building infastructure?

 

not at all. private companies generally don't let their businesses go to (*)(*)(*)(*), as you so eloquently put it.

 

yeah but then youd be left with buisnesses (who only want your money, and couldnt care less about you otherwise) controlling the roads and bridges, knowing full well that you have no choice but to use those roads and bridges. I can guarantee you that if infastructure was privatized, you would be paying vastly greater amounts of your money to those buisnesses, then you are with the megaer percentage of our taxes that go to infastructure.

then theres the issue of safety standards. if buisness is in control, whats to stop them from cutting corners when they deem it "cost effective".

its like how blue chips view the regulation laws. they dont consider it a standard that they have to follow, they consider it a buisness decision. if they break this paticular law, whats the risk, and how does the risk weigh against revenue. if the revenue outweighs the risk, they break the law. it isnt uncommon. big buisnesses arent the savior of mankind, theyre the creepy guy in the subway trying to jack your wallet everytime you take your eyes off of them.

 

how can you guarantee it?

 

because buisnesses have one goal. make money, and make as much of it as they possibly can.

look at what CEOs do. they'll lay off thousands of people, and then post record profits and give out multi million dollar bonuses to their executive buddies.

they'll collapse an entire market, insist on government bailouts, and then try to use it to hand out bonuses, while common people loose everything they own.

bottled water. 2 dollars for 20 ounces of the most abundant and renewable resource on the planet, just because they can.

they move their jobs over seas so they dont have to pay our minimum wages and follow our regulations, paying workers 10 cents an hour to make a pair of shoes, that they will then try to sell to you for 100 bucks. you got a problem with high unemployment? dont blame the government. blame the buisnesses that move thousands of jobs to other countries to make a higher profit, when they would still be making a profit if they kept the jobs here. they do it because they want more, and because they could care less if the "peasants" (their words not mine) are struggling.

your a sucker if you think they have you in mind, they dont. if you give them control of something that we need on a daily basis, you can be sure they'll take full advantage of it, while you deal with the consequences.

 

How do you know?

Aside from the fact that making money really only benefits shareholders once enough income to finance future investments is secured, and that shareholders exert little influence over managers in most large industrial concerns, managers are human beings with free will and their goals can be anything they want them to be.

 

the goal of a buisness is to make money, if your under any other impression then your a sucker too.

 

Why is that the goal of a business?

If the people who run a company have nothing to gain from increasing the bottom line, but everything to gain from spreading largesse amongst their employees, why would they ever pick the former?

 

This is just one logical fallacy the prohibitionists hold. It does not even touch upon the drug wars and mobs that are created from the underground alcohol economy, the PATRIOT Act allowing the government to search your house if they suspect you of taking drugs WITHOUT A SEARCH WARRANT, or the right for individuals to choose and to control their own body.

The cons of drug prohibition far outweigh the pros.

 

thats an incredibly asinine question, and i think you know that. anybody who doesnt think the goal of a buisness is to make money has to be completely detatched from reality.

granted their are some small buisnesses that dont fit the mold and do try to do the right thing, but big industry has no other goal, it should be obvious from the things they do.

milk companies pumping their cows full of hormones, which cause infections, then pump them full of antibiotics so the cows dont die, ultimately leading to the milk we drink containing puss and antibiotics that lead to drug resistant strains of bacteria.

"news" outlets refusing to air the story, because those companies advertise on their channels., and actually bringing lawyers in to try to bully the journalists from making the story public. all so they can get you to buy more milk, because they could care less if you get sick because of it.

oil companies laying off thousands of employees, and raising the price of gas, while simaltaneously making record profits.

companies we work for taking out huge life insurance policies ("dead peasant policies" thats what they call them) on you, without your consent or even your knowledge, so that they actually profit from your death

health insurance companies refusing coverage for my mother to get surgery on her knee because they claim it resulted from a 25 year old car accident, when she had been paying for coverage then anyway.

American companies shipping jobs to malaysia or wherever else so that they can pay their workers 10 cents an hour instead of our minimum wage.

price fixing scandals.

again, your a sucker if you think big buisnesses care about anything but making money.

 

i was subjected to an illegal search in tennesee about a year ago that resulted in $1000 fine. no warrant, no probable cause (other than a tye dye t-shirt and new york plates im assuming), holding me for an hour to perform a search after issuing me my traffic ticket (alot of people dont realise thats illegal), lied about having dogs to try to coerce me into giving consent (i didnt). i knew my rights were being violated while it was happening but there was nothing i could do. oph they also ripped open my suitcase and left all my clothes sitting in the rain until they decided it was ok for me to put my car back together about 20 minutes later (not like door panels or anyhting, i just had alot of stuff because i was on vacation).

there was a couple funny moments, however. they found an air soft bebe in my car and speant about 10 minutes debating whether it was a drug or not. we had a cake in the car and they tasted it to make sure it wasnt ganga food.

after i got home, i called a lawyer, the DA of the town i got pulled over in, and the judge, and they all told me to just plead guilty and let it go because it would cost more to travel down there and fight it, then it owuld be to just pay the fine. and the worst part is that the proof that it was an illegal search was ON THE TICKETS. all they had to do was look at them to see it, but they said i would still have to go down there and get a lawyer to get them dropped.

a $900 fine for 3 grams of a relatively harmless plant, but at least it wasnt a criminal charge. in new york it would have been like $100 and i would have just shrugged it off.


i think possession of all drugs should be at least decriminalized (maybe forced rehabilitation for some of the harder drugs, or for repeat offenders), but i think it should still be illegal to sell them. i dont think the government has a right to tell me what i can or cant do to my own body, but do think they have the right to regulate what somebody can or cant try push on me.

that being said i think pot should just be legalised flat out. grow it, sell it, tax it, smoke it.

 

make a law that states if a drug user ruins his/her life because of drugs our tax dollars will not be used to bail their sorry asses out.

 

would you include people who drink?

 

sure why not. i dont see why we should have to pay for someones welfare when that person didnt give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about their own and screwed it up on drugs and booze.

i drink and smoke cigs and every now and again i get stoned lol. but if i screw up my life then its my fault, i wouldnt expect anyone to take care of me because i became a alcoholic drug abusing loser.

 

I agree.

I so often hear the Right denounce the "Nanny State", but then go on to defend prohibition because it "makes good choices" for people, rather than letting the Free Market decide. In effect, prohibition creates a Nanny State where the Government is depriving the Market and the People of choice and freedom.

There is no reason not to decriminalize and every reason to create a new Job Industry by selling it. The economy would be flooded with new job opportunities, which would result in more purchases which would "trickle up" to the States that are going bankrupt.

Free Market = Common sense.

 

do businesses make money by producing things that consumers want or by producing things that consumers don't want?

 

Free market in healthcare too, right?