Durham says CIA found data alleging Trump-Russia connection not 'technically plausible,' was 'user c

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  1. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep, he found that 1.21 Jigawatts…..
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am tired of proving the point to you over and over and over, as my last cite showed to you it continued after the election and into the White House and no a phone merely being close to the White House did not need to be investigated.

    One last time

    Yes, the Executive Office of the President Spying Was About Trump
    The second blockbuster revelation from Friday’s filings concerned the Russia Yota cell phone hoax Sussmann fed to the CIA during a February 9, 2017, meeting, allegedly on behalf of Joffe.

    Approximately two months ago, the special counsel revealed how, as part of this hoax, Trump’s enemies surveilled the internet traffic at Trump Tower, his New York City apartment building, a Michigan business, and later the Executive Office of the President of the United States (EOP). Sussmann then provided that data to the CIA, telling agents there were “suspicious lookups” of the “internet protocol or IP addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provider” connected to the supposedly rare Russian Yota phone.

    According to the special counsel’s filings, Sussmann claimed “these lookups demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.”

    When news broke that to craft the Yota phone hoax Joffe had accessed data his internet company obtained “as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP,” the corrupt media framed that explosive detail as a nothingburger because the data appeared to have been collected while Barack Obama was still president.

    For instance, The New York Times reported that the data relating to the White House’s EOP “came from Barack Obama’s presidency.” The Times then quoted two lawyers representing one of the researchers who aided Joffe: “To our knowledge,” the attorneys claimed, “all of the data they used was nonprivate DNS data from before Trump took office.”

    Of course, as I noted at the time, as “a matter of pure logic, the data Sussmann presented to the CIA related to the White House must have somehow related to Trump or it would not ‘demonstrate’ that ‘Trump and/or his associates were using’ the Russian cell phones ‘in the vicinity of the White House.’” Most likely, “the data presented concerned the transition period”—a fact Durham’s team later confirmed in a filing noting Joffe exploited the EOP data “both before and after the Presidential election.”

    Friday’s filings did more, however, than merely reconfirm that the EOP data Joffe exploited was collected after the election: Two exhibits filed by the special counsel revealed that the mining of the EOP data, as well as of the internet traffic at Trump Tower, Trump’s New York City apartment building, and a Michigan business, were targeted to Trump’s physical presence at those locations. This raises the further question of whether the cybersecurity experts were using geolocation technology to surveil Trump’s movements.

    An exhibit filed Friday by the special counsel’s office, consisting of a “Memorandum of Conversation” that summarized a CIA agent’s conversation with Sussmann, revealed these new details. That memo reported that Sussmann had claimed “the presence and activity of a unique Russian made phone around President Trump.” The alleged use of this phone started in April 2016, when “Trump was working out of the Trump Tower on its Wi-Fi network.” After his move to the White House, “the same phone surfaced on the [Executive Office Building] network.”

    The Yota cell phone that was purportedly “close to” Trump at the Trump Tower network also surfaced “at Wi-Fi used at Trump’s apartment at Grand Central Park West,” and “when Trump traveled to Michigan to interview a cabinet secretary the phone appeared with Trump in Michigan,” Sussmann claimed, according to the memo. Sussman also claimed “the phone was never noticed in two places at once, only around the President’s movements,” with Sussmann further stressing that “in December 2016 the phone disappeared from Trump Tower Wi-Fi network and surfaced on [the Executive Office Building network.”

    In addition to establishing beyond doubt that the mining of the sensitive EOP data concerned Trump, these new details suggest it was not merely the Yota cell phones and the internet at locations connected to Trump being surveiled, but Trump’s own physical movements. This is far from the nothingburger the press has been pushing.
    https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/1...rom-the-latest-special-counsel-court-filings/
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, this is Durham making the accusation. Yes, he sent a text claiming he wasn’t doing it on behalf of any client. Now Durham makes the accusation he is lying, and NOW he has to prove it in court. He’s had over 2 years, and he hasn’t even tried to bring that to trial. AGAIN, he is doing exactly what he was enshrined to do, which is to keep the lie alive as long as possible for political gain.

    There isn’t any proof of anything yet. And if you read the actual indictment, Durhams claim is that Sussman texted another attorney, who at that time worked for Clinton, thus Sussman must be working for Clinton. This is him making the political play that Sussman must be working for Clinton because he talked to one of her lawyers. That accusation is nothing but political theatre to rile up the base.
     
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    Of course they do, they put you in court on charges and refute your motions to dismiss. It is the prosecutor saying these are the facts we know and the evidence to back it up. And it don't look good. Read it yourself and do some analysis or read the cites posted that give will give you some.
     
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    Sussmann was billing his time to the Clinton campaign.
    Text message makes case 'materially' worse for Clinton lawyer ...
    https://thehill.com › opinion › white-house › 3260328-t...


    Apr 6, 2022 — The existence of a critical text message that Michael Sussmann allegedly sent James Baker in 2016 was revealed on Monday.
     
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    They have the billing records, he was being paid by the Clinton Campaign, he was working for them geeeezzzzz what do you think the indictment is based on??
     
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    So your lawyer only works for you ? Nobody else, just YOU ?

    Durham is hack and has literally done nothing but throw crap into the public sphere to keep the lie alive. 2 years, and he has literally done nothing but that.
     
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    Durham already has the billing records and he has the text message. He has what he needs.
     
  10. Nemesis

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    Oh, so they refuted a motion!? Wow, that must mean that the motion to dismiss is not grounded in facts and the law!

    Hint: That's how court works. A motion is made, and the non-moving party disputes the motion. The standard to dismiss a criminal case is also very high standard for a defendant to meet.
     
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    According to the Court:

    The battle lines thus are drawn, but the Court cannot resolve this standoff prior to trial. In United States v. Gaudin, the Supreme Court unanimously held that because materiality is an element of a § 1001 offense, it is a question that generally must be answered by a jury. 515 U.S. 506, 512 (1995). Indeed, all the cases Sussmann cites where courts have found alleged false statements to be immaterial were decided after a trial and on appeal from post-trial motions under Rule 29. See, e.g., United States v. Johnson, 19 F.4th 248 (3d Cir. 2021); United States v. Litvak, 808 F.3d 160 (2d Cir. 2015); United States v. Camick, 796 F.3d 1206 (10th Cir. 2015). So, while Sussmann is correct that certain statements might be so peripheral or unimportant to a relevant agency decision or function to be immaterial under § 1001 as matter of law, the Court is unable to make that determination as to this alleged statement before hearing the government’s evidence. Any such decision must therefore wait until trial. See United States v. Cisneros, 26 F. Case 1:21-cr-00582-CRC Document 67 Filed 04/13/22
     
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    Thats beyond ridiculous. Lawyers work for multiple clients all the time

    Durham is just keeping the lie alive
     
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    Absolutely true. What do these supposed billing records show? Moreover, don't expect a career government lawyer to know anything about a lawyer's billings because he's never done it. He's worked for governmental entities his entire legal career.
     
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    Do you believe that he billed the clients for his time preparing for the meeting and for meeting with the FBI?
     
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    Yes facts and evidence what's your point?
     
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    I don't think Trump appointed Durham. But we understand your point. It's influenced by TDS.
     
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    What are the "facts and evidence"?

    Hint: Read their response to the motion, as well as the Court's Order.

    You're welcome.
     
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    I have read it and more are youbdenying the false statements ans Sussman email? What the CIA reporting is in the OP? Sussman's billing records? The statements of the persons who were ordered to create dirt on Trump? That the fake narrative was present as fact to law enforcement?
     
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    Truth hurts huh, heck in another post you say Trump is Fubar...How long you going to hold onto that rope you've been hanging yourself with for the last 5 years?
     
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    Well, I guess you want to engage in the vortex of BS instead of answering this simple question.
     
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    I doubt that truth comes from Trump or his most loyal cult members. Re the rope, projection.
     
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    From the link in #155:
    ". . . [Sussmann] was billing his time on the Trump/Russia matter to the Clinton campaign."
     
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    "BY ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 04/06/22 11:00 AM ET
    THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL"

    Now your posting opinion as fact ?
     
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    Go read the indictments where it is clearly laid out.
     
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    The billing records are the facts.
     

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