Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Resentment aside, an increasingly educated populace is good for America.

 

So paying $12 bucks for a pack of cigarettes, instead of $4 bucks is highly educated?

 

So you are are for free college - a socialist program - but against Socialism. This is hard to unravel without knowing what you are defining as "Socialism" ?

Socialism consists of socialist programs. I assume then - that you are referring to some hard core extreme aspects such as State Ownership of all resources and means of production.

Problem with this is that Bernie is not for that.

Nor has socialism always failed - it has however subjugated people to a degree - as this is the nature of Collectivism - and Utilitarianism.

 

So University is largely a scam. I remember back in high school being told if I didn't go to university to get at least a bachelor's degree I would be flipping burgers. If course I'm being told this by teachers that generally have to get a bachelor's degree for some reason.

University degrees aren't what they used to be. It's mostly because anybody can get one in just about any thing. They used to be difficult, they used to be more valuable and people are operating on what they used to be.

I've come across so many people who have a bachelor's degree and feel entitled to a 80k a year job. They feel entitled to this because they were promised this. To the point they will sit unemployed living with their parents passing up good jobs because they don't pay what these people think a college educated person sould make.

They think it's some sort of accomplishment that makes them special.

 

funny, I do not recall using that terminology
Nor do I recall any of my friends saying that

I am not saying that no one says it....
But then again, it seems to me that you are doing exactly the same thing that you criticized.... castigating a entire group of people for what only a few people do..... which group are you a member of that we may similarly criticize them as a group?

 

People who graduate from college can have bad grammar as well.

 

We aren't a team. I've worked a lot as a mechanic. I'm told how I rip people off. Because my skills are expensive. I should repair college educated people's cars for less than minimum wage because it isn't litigation, or banking and it causes me to be dirty.

No I'm sorry, if you think I'm so expensive go fix your pile of **** German car yourself. Who told people these were good cars for educated people they sure make stupid purchasing decisions.

 

Yeah that's rather funny.

"I'm persnickety about crap that doesn't matter"

Somehow that means you are educated. Lol.

 

Knowledge and wisdom are two different things, learn the difference

 

humm, I think that hr people frequently have an abundance of applicants....particularly for desirable jobs. And the reality is that they do not have the bandwidth to separately fully consider each of those applicants.... so they have to figure out a way of winnowing down the applicant pool to a reasonable number they can devote the resources to evaluate. And in general, they find that the more education you have... the more capable you are. Does this mean that people with less education are inherently stupid. No. But, in general, People with less education have are in fact less intelligent, they have worse writing skills, they have lower computer literacy, they likely have less experience delivering projects on a deadline, they probably are less able to present a professional appearance to your customers, they probably have poorer math skills, etc..... and all of that might only be indicative of the fact they had fewer opportunities, or parents without resources, or lived in a bad neighborhood, or got pregnant early, or had some bad friends, etc. .... so maybe an employer misses out on some excellent employees.... but they have a system, a system they have set up to spend their hr resources evaluating the candidates MOST LIKELY to yield good employees, just as investors do not spend their Time evaluating EVERY POSSIBLE INVESTMENT...they Spend their time evaluating investments that are MOST LIKELY to yield a good return. Do this miss some good investments.... of course they do. Do they make some bad investments... of course. Would they have better results if they looked equally at every possible investment.... probably not. And employers would not achieve better results if they gave equal attention to every applicant.

 

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For a subset.
The rest are wasting time and money, enriching bankers and educators.

 

Wow... I had never thought about that. Thanks for the insight.

 

Purchasing cigarettes is not a sign of intellectual prowess at any price.

Is the cost of living cheaper in Sudan than in Monaco? Indeed, it is.

 

Is this cause and effect or do capable people seek education?

 

Your advocacy for avoiding academic achievement is noted.

Americans are still becoming better-educated, and that bodes well for the future of the nation.

 

To the extent that recognizing the value of a good education leads to attaining one, yes.

 

A majority are paying a ton for poor education and driving up the costs for legitimate students

 

Your list is way too long to address item by item so I'll just reply using Abraham Lincoln as an example of what I'm trying to get across to you. Abraham Lincoln just happens to be my choice for the president that represented many things to many people. He wasn't an aristocratic as George Washington was, he was dirt poor but it never stopped him from seeking knowledge. Lincoln was self-taught in the law. He read, read more, and then read again, every book he could get his hands on. In Lincoln's practice of law, and, later in his political debates, he was constantly learning, deepening, refining, and improving.

Lincoln was an intelligent man, but he never ceased seeking out knowledge, always trying to improve himself intellectually and constantly strove for excellence. That's where people fail and that's the difference between willful ignorance and intellect. People fail themselves when they fail to make any attempt to better themselves. Whether it's simply looking up the definition of a word or how to spell it correctly, to researching facts and statistics rather than guessing or making them up.

So no, being educated in a college does not make anyone 'better' it only makes them more educated. A good quote worth remembering is this one; “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”

 

Capable students should seek education.
A large percentage are wasting their time and driving up costs for the others by obtaining access to debt they will never repay

 

You are spectacularly wrong. Socialism at its core is collectivism and non-surplus subsistence. It doesn't "believe that the working class is the core of society", because it doesn't 'believe' anything, much less anything associated with class. And it certainly has nothing to do with 'worker control of the company', because it doesn't deal in profit driven capitalist enterprise - period.

Socialism understands that all profit driven enterprise is capitalism, regardless of who owns the company - worker, CEO, or Govt. You seem woefully misinformed as regards what collectivism (aka, socialism) actually is.

 

You have no idea.

 

No one here is scorning education. We are refuting any link between education and intelligence.

Though some of us are scorning useless education (Gender Studies, Arts, etc).

 

No, it doesn't. This is patently incorrect, sorry.

Your example person is going to do well because of his emotional maturity, self-discipline, and commitment. Another person, without that qualities, could do exactly the same courses at same school etc, and fail. The education itself is not the decider on lifetime success or failure.

 

But what makes them such success stories? The same education is available to multi-generational Americans, after all.

 

These guys do.
A new study has found that a year of schooling improves IQ scores by 1 to 5 points. “Our analyses provide the strongest evidence yet that education raises intelligence test scores,” said psychological scientist Dr. Stuart J. Ritchie of the University of Edinburgh.Jun 24, 2018

https://psychcentral.com/news/2018/06/24/study-shows-education-boosts-iq/136418.html

Sending a child to preschool was found to raise his or her IQ by more than four points, and preschools that include a language development component were found to boost IQ by more than seven points.Jan 25, 2013

https://www.psychologicalscience.or...ior-and-preschool-can-boost-childrens-iq.html

I've seen the effects of preschool.