Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    It is though - at least in the sense that it's learned very young. Kids who have that ability (the application of information) will demonstrate it quite early in their schooling.
     
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    The first guy is more likely to be able to acquire knowledge, but that's not the same thing as intelligence. Intelligence is, after all, problem solving. High intelligence is seeing problems before they arise, and acting to obviate them. That's why the 'life' test is such a good one - it reveals the limits of intelligence very plainly. EG: the first guy has loads of knowledge, but little intelligence. The second guy may have less knowledge, but has considerably more intelligence.
     
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    Is this a serious response?

    And what do 'conservatives' have to do with it?
     
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    I think you've responded to someone else, here. This has nothing to do with my post about literacy being the foundation skill.
     
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    That's a localised phenomenon. Where I live, there are far more students in arts/humanities than in STEM.
     
  6. dagosa

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    Just a lot of generalization.

    The problem solving needed in most sports to participate at high level involves the intellect even if the student is a poor class room performer.

    The idea that anyone can determine intellectual capability in all areas with one sit down test, or even say one is a good problem solver in all areas because they can solve a few riddles is ridiculous

    Simple retention of knowledge is also an intellectual skill.
    Every potential problem solver needs that to varying degrees.

    Calculous, one bellwether of higher intellect in one area in math is not hard because the concepts are difficult, it’s hard because it requires a retention of knowledge of math in many easier to understand areas.
    Math nerds retain information.

    Even a priest, rabbi, or minister or any general counselor must retain high levels of knowledge to be an effective problem solving aid for others. Speaking many languages is all about knowledge retention.
     
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    Plenty........If all, you do is think politics when confronted with the words “ liberal or conservative”, you’re already “conservative.”

    By their own admission , many are less likely to consider new ideas which is essential to developing problem solving skills in many areas.

    Education is all about exposure to previously unconsidered ideas and knowledge.
    Conservative...”averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.”

    it’s not a good or bad thing in many specific areas, but in higher education, it has to be tempered with “liberal” thinking which is a willingness to consider change.
     
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    That in itself is the response of someone proven wrong. It’s called denial.
     
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    List them. I hear a lot of talk about them, and no examples.
     
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    So, programs like “Head start” are good ?
     
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    So, you’re unwilling to define what you mean by “ causation” ?
    I keep seeing the word. What do you mean by it ?
     
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    Was that your post I quoted ?
     
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    Giggles.
     
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    Come now Mr Science. You know what the null hypothesis is, and how one either rejects or fails to reject it.
    Well maybe not, since you have indicated that science is about correlation and causation is merely a rabbit hole
     
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    Wow, a regular Leonardo da Vinci are we.
    Proud of self?
     
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    Maybe close to half, if you look at diploma data.
    Now take into consideration those that never graduate and there is a large percentage of students that are wasting time and money, driving up education costs for the rest.
    Debt slavery for the benefit of educators and bankers
     
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    A cover up ? Now throw in “ null hypothesis”. This is sounding like woo woo again. No one is impressed.
     
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    Avoiding the question on college curriculum ?
    Let’s see, you don’t know what “causation” means, now you can’t tell us what BS studies are you’re referring to. Anything else you care not to tell us.
     
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    I think you make a mistake here. That of thinking that if you are conservative you are automatically adverse to liberal thinking. Take me for instance. I hold several conservative view points. Such as gun rights as opposed to gun control. Yet I also hold many liberal view points. Such as being pro-choice as opposed to anti-abortion. I see good and bad in both ideologies.

    So, am I conservative? Or am I liberal? I've been labeled both. But in truth, I'm neither. I see the wisdom of conservation, and the wisdom of progressivism. And I know many like me. And have seen many like me. I know many that consider themselves liberal, yet balk at some things for a more conservative type of view. And I know many that consider themselves conservative, yet balk at some conservative things for a more liberal type of view. People are not homogenous. Being one thing does not exclude from being another thing.... even if those two things are diametrically opposed.
     
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    I hear you and maybe I wasn’t clear enough. I fully agree that conservatism in general is not a bad or good thing. It’s a POV that works some places for people. But in higher education ( which is what I was talking about) , a conservative mind set can be problematic.

    It can also be advantageous if use the right way. Questioning a professor on new ideas that may conflict with yours is always a good thing in general. A good instructor will require it. But ultimately, it’s difficult to advance in intellect until you’re at least exposed and are confronted with ideas that differs from your own.

    I’m very liberal socially, but 10 years in the service and 10 years as a cop have helped shape a conservative side in behavior and thought in some things that have been beneficial, at least to me.

    so, I hear where you’re coming from.
     
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    Just because someone believes banging every willing participant through high school and college, acquiring a fruit salad of VD’s, and ending up broke from child support payments and alimony is not wise or progressive behavior doesn’t mean that same person is opposed to advancement through science and technology. Your premise is absurd.
     
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    How are education costs for the rest being driven up by students who don't complete? I think the opposite. they are lowering the cost per student by paying some of it.
     
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    supply and demand credit bubble. Loans for everyone, costs go up.
     
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    exactly.
    Education is good for select individuals.
    Creating tuition bubbles via an endless supply of college entrants obtaining access to easy credit, is bad for everyone.
     
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    :above::above::above: attempts to apply a political/socioeconomic concept to scholarly activity, ........and fails miserably.
     

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