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You threw some out of context crap at a wall and hoped that it would stick but no one is buying that meaningless crap.

Perhaps you will have better luck next time with actual scientific studies.

 

Obviously you haven't taken my advice which means that the disqualification is still in effect.

Have a nice day!

 

So all that whining about the CA power outage is pointless because there are plenty of solar powered recharging stations available to EV owners in CA.

 

Simply not true.

 

All I've read off you are unrealistic dreams. And what on earth makes you think I would take any of that as advice!!

 

Boulder is different. They have quite strict environmental regulations. I will even go so far as to claim that the city and county of Boulder Colorado is the cleanest place in America. This is where organic farming began.

They have a watershed that begins at the top of mountains that reach over 14,000 ft. Rivers, well, more like streams and creeks, come streaming out of glaciers and snow melt. These rivers meet down in Boulder which is at around 6000 ft. There is a lot of energy to be derived out of the water flow.

High up, the rivers are too small to be navigatible and too fast moving and too steep to have fish. There is even an extreme sport in Boulder, river climbing in the summer and climbing the iced over rivers in the winter.

Anyhow, during the depression, the city of Boulder got funds from the Federal government. Redevelopment funds. With that they built reservoirs, keeping a good portion of the population working throughout the depression.

At one time all of Boulder's electricity came from a coal burning plant on the east side and a small hydro generator at the mouth of Boulder Canyon. Of course Boulder environmentalists fought for cleaner energy, going back to the 60's. Eventually the coal plant was converted to natural gas. The logical solution for electrical generation, was to tap into the energy of the rivers. (really just creeks and streams)

The hydro plants were designed by environmentalist minded people. They are not even all that noticable, as they don't use damns. Some just look like a work shed slong the side of the creek, or a pump house.


I'm a Green and am quite concerned about the environment. However, I'm not all that bothered by dams. The thing that I don't like about Colorado is that it is too dry. However, with all the resevoirs in the Boulder mountains, the spring time humidity stretches into summer, making Boulder just a bit more green.

 

STOP THE DAM EXPANSION
Oppose Gross Dam Expansion to Save Boulder County and Protect Our Natural Lands


https://www.savebouldercounty.org/

 

I agree.

 

I consider my self to be quite liberal, in the sense that Thomas Jefferson thought of himself as a liberal. Actually he considered himself a Whig, but that is what they called liberals in his day.

Anyhow I come from Boulder, and Boulder, by my standards is the most liberal place in the US. From early on Boulder has billed itself as the Athens of the west.

In Colorado, there are two centers of Democratic power. The first, and more powerful is Denver. The second is the second Congressional district, which stretches from Boulder to the Wyoming border. It is mostly rural, but it also has one the highest concentrations of high tech companies, national laboratories, and college educated people in the country.

Denver however is different. It is a white minority city and all the problems that come from it. However Denver is an economic and political power house. There is a lot of haves and have nots.

From my life experience I came to see a clear divide within the Democratic Party. What I like to refer to as the welfare and the intellectual wings of the party. It first became clear to me one day, observing passengers waiting for the bus. There was a park and ride kind of thing. All of those taking the busses to Denver lined up in neat little lines, like elementary school children lining up. However those waiting for the busses to Boulder were just milling around.

I think that most intellectual Democrats want to have hydroelectric dams, are comfortable with nuclear energy, and think that it is a good idea to vaccinate children. Even amoung environmentalists.

The intellectual left envisions a smooth running high tech future. It can only be achieved with a clean renewable energy. My perfered energy is water. There is a massive amount of energy in the rivers. There is a massive amount of energy in the oceans as they slam against our shores.

I also think that the best use of windmills would be to pump water up hill so that it could turn a water turbine at a later time.

By the way, the intellectual left is clearly on Bernie's side, and Warren's. All things considered, a single payer with private providers system would be most economical and efficient medical system. It had nothing to do with ideology. It is cold hearted mathematics, who cares not a wit, but for the numbers themselves.

Same with going after the rich and breaking up the banks. It is purely a practical issue. Ever try to start a high tech start up. You have to deal with these massive corporations that squeeze you at every turn. Often times, the goal is to your product to market, and hope you can sell the company to a corporation before a other corporation reverse engineers your product, and undercuts you out of business.

This is an issue that troubled Jefferson. How can we truly have a free and open market when a few monopolize. How many times has Walmart turned small towns into one store towns. Most of what Microsoft is built on was created by others. Same with Google. Mark Zuckerberg got rich by selling other people's information, many of them not fully aware of it.

I agree with Bernie, billionaires should not be allowed, large banks should not be allowed and large corporations should also not be allowed.

I grew up playing sports, and there is no fair competition if one side dwarfs all others.

 

Your own links proved that it was true so now you are just denying your own sources.

 

So you don't understand what it means to do your own research?

That says volumes and the disqualification is corroborated.

 

There are people in Boulder county who are opposed to indoor plumbing. They are like hillbillies, but smoke weed rather than drink moonshine. Ever hear of the Rainbow Family? They seem to show up quite often. But these people don't run Boulder, and they don't run Denver.

It is kind of funny them claiming worse ecological damage in Boulder's history. It will not cause as much change as the original dam caused.

I don't know what these people do for a living, but the small mountain towns in Boulder county mostly get their income from tourists, those who come to Boulder for its recreational opportunities. Gross Dam has long been a big draw.

 

I think it's the socialist wing that is taking over now.

As I have noted you will have to deal with the intellectual/liberal/environmentalist to build dams and there are only so many places you can feasably put in a dam with hydropower capabilities on a large scale. The TVA is a good example of using hydro power and has been generating power for decades and decades but there is still LOTS of other power generation going on in that region burning coal and natural gas. And water is HEAVY. Moving it uphill requires a LOT of power. I've never read about any such projects being considered.

No that is not a given fact because government is NOT economical nor efficient nor is there any reason to believe would provide more and better care. Note none of them can state clearly how they will fund it? A wealth tax? A pipe dream it would require a constitutional amendment and as I think it was Buttigege noted countries who have tried it had to abhandon it as it was unworkable and did not produce near the projected revenues. I read recently only 4 out of the 14 countries who tried it still have it.

Without the creation of corporations and banks and people able to create lots of wealth we would still be living in the stone age.

IBM once had the market on business machines including computers. Then guys working out of their garages came up with something to compete and put them almost out of business. Sears was once the POWERHOUSE of catalog shopping, then a guy who decided to try and sell books over the internet almost put them out of business and may still do so.

 

I'm not arguing against corporations or banks, just the really big ones that muscle everyone else around.

Computers are the industry I grew up with, career wise. When IBM was at its peak, it made more money fixing their machines than selling them.

The people who developed the personal computer were liberal leaning idealists. IBM was seen as a big monster associated with the all seeing 1984ish state. I know this because I was involved.

Companies like Intel, Motorola, and Texas Instruments had come out with 8 bit microprocessors, at a relatively low price, in the 70's. The technology was so new that colleges had yet to begin to have courses covering it.

This meant that it was a wide open field for creativity to have its day.

It was like a movement. Mostly young men wiring together rows of integrated circuits and seeing what they could do with it. There were magazines that circulated in the independent book stores that kept everyone up on the latest developments.

By 1980 there were dozens of viable personal computers on the market. All of them with different hardware configurations and differing operating systems.

Apple was the company that jumped out first. But there were others, like Radio Shack, who at one time held 50% market share.

It was only after the pioneering companies had produced proven products, did IBM jump in. They basically just threw something out there, hoping that their name would sell the product. The original IBM machines were inferior to other machines on the market. But it was the one that just about every company bought, because he came from IBM, the business machine company. That move more or less killed off all the competition. Only Apple survived, and mostly because they had been the computer of choice among educators.

Radio Shack quit their line and began to sell PC compatibles.

You see IBM used it's size to destroy competition.

 

Ya, Green Colorado loves NG and fracking too

Fracking in Colorado

 

My own links did not prove anything. You simply cannot compare the efficiency of an electric car to an internal combustion car. For one thing there are too many variables, especially for the electric car. You would have to compare from source to the drive wheels to make a meaningful coparison. The source of the electricity could be solar, wind, hydro or some other kind of plant burning a carbon fuel. How do you compute the efficiency of a solar panel? Is it the total power output divided by the total energy impacting the solar panel or do you also include the energy which does not strike the solar panel. There is simply no meaningful way to compare it. Similarly for wind power.

Now lets look at what happens after the electricity is produced. It goes through the following steps and each step has an efficiency.
Transformer to step to a higher voltage for long distance transmission.
The transmission lines.
Transformer to step down to a lower voltage.
Converter of AC to DC for the charger.
Charging the battery. That is a whole different animal. A lithium battery is very efficient to charge until you get somewhere above 75% charge. At that point the charge efficiency drops off very rapidly and much of the energy is lost to heat.
Discharging the battery. The battery is very efficient until it gets down to around 25% capacity. At that point, internal resistance becomes a factor and more energy is lost to heat..
What it amounts to is you have an efficient battery electric motor combination through only about 50% of the battery capacity. If you want to operate only having half the range it is very efficient. Go much beyond that and it gets progressively worse. The internal combustion engine has no such limits. It runs as well on a full tank as on a near empty tank.

Bottom line is that there are too many variables to come up with a meaningful comparison.

As I said before. I like electric vehicles and solar and wind power. However they have their limitations and there is no single best anything. It depends on how and where it will be used.

 

And without big corporations we would still be living in the stone age and little guys went against the big guy IBM and won. Sears was once the big retailer a little guy in Arkansas has about put them out of business.

And Warrens ides that employees get 40% of the seats on the board. Let them buy 40% of the company and have their money invested in it and ifbthe company goes bankrupt as they will drive it to share the loses while losing their jobs.

 

So you don't understand that your assumptions about others are totally wrong.

 

When Colorado was created it was decided that Colorado would support 3 industries. It is even written into the state Constitution and the structure of state government and the education system.

Those three industries are agriculture, mining and gas, and technology/manufacturing. All three have thrived, as well as tourism.

Colorado succeeds because there is a healthy relationship between business, the government, and the people.

 

There are 81 dams in Boulder County. Enlarging one of them will make no difference.

 

And polluted just as well as any other Fracking state. So mush for GREEN huh.. And as for Boulder if Aron Million doesn't find a way to steal Wyoming's water it will, along with most of the front range be a dry hole with no way to expand..

And he will never get that water

 

The state is already to populated for the amount of water resources is has.. Nothing but divine intervention is going to solve that problem!

 

The environmentalist will still be a problem and not just in Boulder.

 

Succeeds how over other states?

 

I have, and actually seen first hand what pigs they are! They on alternating years come to Yellowstone (gathering) and **** and piss all over the place and leave at least three garbage trucks of trash for the BLM to deal with.. They are not even welcome here anymore and the Forest Rangers do their best to herd them in to Montana..