Elon Musk's opinion on why we have the open border.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by yabberefugee, Feb 3, 2024.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Moderates always seemed swayed as to the reason for our open border. They say it is often humanitarian. They say it is because Republicans won't send more money. They say it is only because our immigration system is broken. Many buy into this administration's excuses. but "common sense" Americans know it is just a ruse and now, the successful entrepreneur, Elon Musk, spells it out!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...n&cvid=fb5da308f6ad469a8e68613dcb67d1dc&ei=40
     
    mngam, Marine1, Joe knows and 3 others like this.
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,693
    Likes Received:
    22,988
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This seems obvious, but I think they've already succeeded.
     
    mngam, Marine1, Joe knows and 2 others like this.
  3. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well what do we do, sit back and see where it takes us? Or do we insist on a mass deportation?
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  4. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    4,542
    Likes Received:
    1,481
    Trophy Points:
    113
    An "open border" is right-wing propaganda and Musk has descended the rabbit hole of nut job conspiracy theory.
     
  5. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2008
    Messages:
    13,255
    Likes Received:
    3,941
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Over 2.8 million immigrants crossed the border in 2023.

    How many would need to do so before YOU called this an open border?
     
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2024
  6. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,693
    Likes Received:
    22,988
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I think history is enough of a guide that we already know where history is going to take us. But no, I wasn't saying don't fight the administration's open borders policies. Obviously we should, but the point of Musk's tweet has already been accomplished, it's just a delayed reaction based on citizenship status of legal immigrants, the children of illegals who are citizens and are sympathetic to the illegal cause, and the death rate of current right leaning voters, who are dying off and are not being replaced in anywhere near the numbers they had.

    There will be no mass deportations because you'll never get enough political power to make that happen.
     
    mngam, Pycckia, yangforward and 3 others like this.
  7. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,195
    Likes Received:
    90,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    2.8 million people and every one of them will claim they want asylum as to avoid persecution. No one believes that.
     
  8. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,701
    Likes Received:
    1,583
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Both sides are becoming increasingly partisan which is the bane of democracy but a hallmark of authoritarianism. The right being suspicious of the authoritarian nature of the left while being ignorant of the rising authoritarianism of the right is just absurd.
     
    Marine1, cd8ed and MrFred like this.
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    When we don't even know who is entering, we don't know even their health history or criminal history, we don't know if Dad's are really children's father.....that to me is "open borders Edna. Maybe that ain't "open borders" to you but then again I think you may be one that despises our American Heritage.
     
    roorooroo and Steve N like this.
  10. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,606
    Likes Received:
    9,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And yet the proof is now spread to New York and beyond. The rate of migrants and asylum seekers is beyond ridiculous. You can't pretend anymore.
     
  11. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So you are right down the middle......how nice of you. We see a diminishing middle class and are importing at random a lower class. How do you like "feudalism"? Or could we also call it "Cultural Marxism"?
     
    Steve N likes this.
  12. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We sure as heck are gonna try!
     
    Lil Mike likes this.
  13. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,312
    Likes Received:
    4,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And the Democrats will be mailing out millions of ballots to all these illegals and you'll have queen Nancy saying "count every ballot" again, just like in the last rigged election.

    What you are watching before your eyes is the destruction of America.

    There is only one person in the country that could possibly reverse it and that's Trump.
     
    yabberefugee likes this.
  14. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And this might just start a new awakening! https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-migrant-flips-middle-fingers-charged-attacking-nypd-times-square
     
  15. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,701
    Likes Received:
    1,583
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What does it matter what the political system is when all are doomed to fail due to human nature which over time is doomed to devolve into me and mine at the expense of you and yours? Human nature is not suited for democracy, Marxism, authoritarianism or any other forum of government. The historical rise and fall of Nations and Kingdoms is testament to that. To think America will not suffer a similar fate is symptom of our collective naivety and hubris.

    I don’t have faith in the left or right to solve the complex issues we face. Heck, we can’t even elect moral and ethical politicians. I don’t blame the politicians. I blame the partisans that justify supporting such low quality candidates. Like I said, human nature is the problem and it is systemic.
     
    Lil Mike likes this.
  16. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,312
    Likes Received:
    4,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yabberefugee and ButterBalls like this.
  17. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    51,603
    Likes Received:
    37,978
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Insisting hasn't done any good, they are "for now" cheap labor, easy to manage and abuse.

    I reckon eventually Americans will tire of trying to make a decent living while competing with migrants willing to work, living in groups and pooling income and resources while building a retirement portfolio in Mexico..

    Personally, I think it's to late..
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  18. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,991
    Likes Received:
    63,266
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the real reason they come is people like the Trump businesses give them jobs
     
    MrFred and Melb_muser like this.
  19. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,991
    Likes Received:
    63,266
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2024
    MrFred, Endeavor and Ddyad like this.
  20. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    12,542
    Likes Received:
    9,570
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Listen up buttercup, our southern border is open and welcoming people from all over the world. Yeah, anyone from anywhere. It's shown all over the news. Thanks Biden.
     
    mngam, roorooroo, ButterBalls and 2 others like this.
  21. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,991
    Likes Received:
    63,266
    Trophy Points:
    113
    to be fair, we do not know that dads are the real dad's of American children either, maybe time to require mandatory paternity testing
     
    MrFred and Endeavor like this.
  22. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We aren't talking here about American citizens. They are here and are innocent until proven guilty. We are discussing "illegal aliens" whose first act is to break our law!
     
    roorooroo and ButterBalls like this.
  23. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,991
    Likes Received:
    63,266
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I am just saying, to be fair, we do not know that dads are the real dad's of American children either, maybe time to require mandatory paternity testing
     
    MrFred and Endeavor like this.
  24. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well I have heard both Haley and Trump talk about mass deportation. Eisenhauer did it. Do we hold them to their promises or just give up? Of course if Biden gets elected it's all over.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  25. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    9,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I agree 100% about human nature. A Republican Democracy is the best system of government devised by man to restrain the "evil one". I will never be so heavenly minded, however, to be no earthly good. The struggle is worth it so I don't give up.
     
    robini123, Ddyad and ButterBalls like this.

Share This Page