Eric Holder Threatens Kansas

Tell that to all your pot smoking CA pals who flip off the fed every time they light up a joint. Does your liberal mind prevent you from see this?

 

The Federal government is not a dictatorship. The states gave up certain enumerated powers in the constitution, they reserve the rest. The supremacy clause refers only to constitutional laws otherwise there'd be no point using half the document to enumerate explicit powers.

You might not agree with Jefferson on this, but states use the principle all the time. Think of the REAL ID fiasco or medical marijuana laws (or Colorado's legalization initiative).

To suppose that states nullification does not exist is to reject the entire point of the revolt against the British. Americans should readily take up arms against the Federal government should it try to take this liberty away. If Holder tries to enforce his illegitimate 'authority' by force Kansas' citizens should defend with lethal force in kind.

States have a right to protect their borders since they never expressly delegated this power to the Federal government and all such powers are reserved to the states and the people.

 

I think Holder is a racist moron who happens to be right in this one instance.

This law will be kicked by SCOTUS the first time the idiots in Kansas try to convict a federal agent of a crime .

Morons

 

No problem amigo. Holder will indeed be defiantly and arrogantly wearing his "big boy britches" when he proudly marches into Kansas (reminiscent of the Civil War) and bullies, kicks the crap out of and embarrasses and humiliates the tough-talking, spluttering and country bumpkins and teaches them a lesson about how not to mess with the Obama Government.

Every time a bunch of bubbas tries to defy the Obama Government by proclaiming their state to be a great "sovereign" state, an Obama federal judge shoots down the silly notion.

As a matter of fact, under the Obama regime, there are no sovereign states in America. America has become one state ruled by the centralized Obama Government. Why not just do away with state boundaries? Why not just go by Zip codes? Where are you from? I'm from 68307.

Anyway, by merging all state governments into one unified federal state, it would eliminate rampant duplicity and save billions in tax dollars. All licenses and regulations would be federal across the board. No more state cops, county cops, city cops and little governments within governments -- all would be incorporated and merged into one one, single government -- the Obama Federal Government!

Thank you

 

This is why we have the court system in this country. If Holder isn't being compliant, it can be challenged in the courts. Whether or not the State of Kansas gets a "free pass" is up to the court system which is the mechanism we use to settle disputes.

If the State of Kansas feels that any laws passed by the Federal Government are illegal, comply and challenge it in a court of law. Violating the laws because you don't agree with them or feel that they are illegal can place you or the state in serious trouble if its found that the Feds were right and you were wrong.

 

and I'm sure you are exactly 180 degrees the opposite and defend Kansas but think CO and WA should be sued.

The truth is they should all three be sued by the federal government for violating the supremacy clause of the COTUS.

 

Comply long enough, and a lawsuit is moot. People are tired of complying with bogus law.

 

The nice thing about America is that you have the power of choice. Use the legal system to address your grievance or do not comply. If you get caught and are convicted of a felony you lose it all, the right to possess guns, the right to vote, all Federal licenses, etc. You get to decide what course of action to take.

 

Oh, and here I thought you were learning............

A state does NOT have the right to pass a law that is counter to federal law. True or False?

 

Once the guns are gone and the law changed, you can sue till you are blue in the face and it wont help.
The fight is now, stand and fight or bow and grovel.
Let Holder mobilize people to go to Kansas or anywhere and see what kind of bloodshed he will have on his hands.
The people are speaking, through their elected officials. The elected officials are speaking to the Fed.
The Fed best listen, or prepare to strap up and come take them.

 

NO ONE has said they are coming to take your guns LOL

 

Holder should be in prison for lying to congress.

 

Is pot legal in the eyes of Federal Law?
No, but its legal in a number of states now.
What is your point.

 

Do you think those states should be able to legalize pot while it's illegal under federal law?

 

No one? Not Biden? Nor Cuomo, Bloomberg, Feinstien?
They have all let the confiscation word slip out.
Just that they are willing to say it, is bothersome enough to take action.

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Yes, with out being able to do that pretty much reduces states right to nothing.
We are not a federalized nation. If we were, we may as just as well get rid of congress and the senate.

 

I think it is all a storm in a teacup. The Kansas people I deal with seem to care very little what Washington does good or bad, and they have an even lower opinion of Topeka. Overall a pretty pragmatic lot really

 

So you don't recognize that the Supremacy Clause of the COTUS is in fact the supreme law of the land.

That is a simple logic failure on your part and thus no need for us to discuss it further.

 

Dont matter what I think, but you seem to think that the states have little to no rights. Except when the Fed wishes to make a political football out of something.
Do I think pot should be legal on either level, no.
But do I think the Fed should try to force states into up holding laws that are contrarty to the 2A, no as well.
You seem to have this disconnect with the BoR and bills and desires of the Fed.
I dont know what type of guns you own, but if you own a AR15 and the new Fed law says turn them in with in 30 days.
You gonna turn it in?

 

Once again, you are basing your argument entirely on guns. You need to get over that. The issue isn't guns. The issue is can a state make a federal law illegal? The answer is obviously no they can not.

The question of whether the federal law is constitutional or not is another question entirely. We have a court system for such matters. And in fact the Supreme Court is explicitly empowered to hear cases where states are suing the feds or visa verse.

If states could just ignore federal law then we would no longer be a union. This was decided in the Civil War.

You seem to be stuck in this mode of "fight the man when you think he's wrong" rather than using the system that is in place to deal with such disputes. Well what happens when someone fights the man over something you agree with the man?

You see the paradox?

 

In my opinion any State that wants to maintain sovereignty should join in, several are in the process of just this. The feds can not police 20-30 States.

Maybe my question should be, Why have a State at all? This is larger than just guns is my point. The lines are so blurred now. The tree of liberty is in want.

 

Obviously you side with Holder.

 

The feds managed to police 13 out of 31 states just fine back in 1851.

Not to mention there is not one state, or group of states, that could manage on their own if they were to leave the union. That's just a fact. We're all too interconnected now.

 

And you ducked my question.
You seem to think that the Fed can just come up with any law they choose and the states have no say so.
Like I said, if thats the issue. Disband all states, do away with congress and the senate.
You seem to miss the blue state experiments going on right now in reference to guns.
Read the laws Cali gov Brown just signed.
Read the New York laws.
And yes, I care much more about our gun rights then whether gays can marry or not.
Once the 2A is gone or nullified, kill all your rights good by.

 

I agree with him. My only question would be why is not suing so called sanctuary cities, etc etc which blatantly violate federal law on a daily basis.

And I disagree with those laws , but they ARE the laws.

 

The states have plenty of say so. It's called the Court system as outlined in the COTUS.

Your silly statement about disbanding Congress is just that , silly. No one has suggested such a thing. I wonder if you realize that the people passing these federal laws are in fact the very same Congress?

Your silly comments about blue states and guns is just that silly. I no more believe the states have a right to take away gun rights then I believe states have a right to ignore federal law. See I look at it from BOTH points of view. I either defend both sides ignoring the federal government or I condemn both sides for ignoring federal law. Too bad you can't do the same.

Your rights are going nowhere, with or without the second amendment. You are insane if you think a power grab like that would ever be attempted much less succeed in the US.