EU imposes sanctions on Russia over Crimea for undermining the sovereignty of Ukrain

I think the mentality behind it is that these government officials will start pushing Putin out of office for their own self interests, but they are only fooling themselves. Do they really believe that the Russian people will want to be an appendage of the U.S. and have its values, or rather non values imposed on them?

More than likely what you said is right, Vladimir Putin will continue to progress into Ukraine. He did do the right thing though, and asked the junta boss in Kiev to federalize the country so the Russian people will have more protection. Sounds like a warning to me.

 

really , whats about The Kuril Islands ?
you always can, try but again today is not 1938 , and Obama is not Chamberlain ...

 

bye Bye, anschluss´s plans ?) why did Vovka abandon his dreams?

 

Does anyone believe sincerely that Putin will take any notice of the EU or USA sanctions. He knows that he has the military strength to beat anything in Europe and the EU has no way of fighting back. Obama does not have the 'political' strength or character to fight this battle and Putin knows that. He will play his battle plan out until he wins back the whole of Ukraine and maybe even go further. He is just waiting and will use force if necessary. We, USA and EU, do not have the will to fight Putin. We may have the words and be able to sanction but Putin doesn't really care. He is a better chess player than any of his political counterparts.

 

Targeted officials include:

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Putin pulls back ...

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McCain: 'Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country'

Well, he was right on Saturday, today Russia is a gas station with a rest area attached, masquerading as a country LOL. Real sanctions are yet to come though.

 

come on potap, laws in your country are written for people like you, they don't apply to tsars, rulers, dear leaders, putins, brezhnevs, stalins and their criminal gangs. These sanctions, weak as they may be will bite the inner circle of your dear leader but it's just the beginning.

 

that's why all the Muscovy Tsars have not liked you Jews,... you are just too smart for taking part in their madness

 

The sanctions are too weak, Putin and those in charge of their economy are not even on the list, the sanctions should have been imposed on all of the Russian Federation not just 7 Russians.

 

what do you think about American shale gas card?
ps look like Vovka pulls out his crazy dreams ....
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=347472&p=1063704427#post1063704427

 

Litwin I'm going to tell you something, there are two pests, Turkey and Poland, who can't stop pricking Russia, so if there's a war, they might be the first ones blown from here to kingdom come: Hmmm! Maybe Lithuania will be next? I'd take cover if I were you.

 

Well let's see what Vlad the hammer will boomerang back with. He's making a speech to the Duma tomorrow.

 

Turkey is in trouble, Poland grew up ...Putinstan needs 200 years in order to reach its level.
Maybe Lithuania, maybe USA, maybe Greece, maybe Moldova or Russia itself? we live in the fast changing world
how poor or rich are you? can you afford yourself a short trip in the Eastern Europe ?
ps
you can make a homemade orthodox icon, out of this if you want

 

If Russia is so bad off, then why is the U.S. and E.U. so frightened? I mean let the poor Russians have the Crimea and even Eastern Ukraine, I mean why not if they need it so badly.

P.S. Turkey is a very wealthy country. Have you ever been to Istanbul?

 

Hey there.

Awful to see that this is a quarrel forum, not for political discussions. Seems like you're enjoying thinking about "punishing Russia" being "a world judge".

But the truth is that there are bad guys on the both sides - even on all three sides (Russia, NATO, Ukraine)

1. NATO obviously backed Maidan. You can argue to me but EVERYTHING what happened after Maidan in Ukraine prooves it. Money has been given to opposition which made an alliance to nationalists. This alliance happened because Yanukovich was pro-Russian President (as they say) so opposition and nationalist united against pro-Russian politics in the country. But still you need a lot of money for orgaziation, supporting people crowds on Maidan with food, clothes, flags, toilets for 3 months.

Otherwise, this is how the West began supported the hunta since the first day. A coup d'etat happened but who cares? These people are looking into the West, let's support them. They are nationalist calling to kill Russians or expel them from Ukraine (I mean people of Russian nation living there since USSR had died - mostly in Eastern Ukraine)? Who cares, it is just the country raising up and getting off Russian influence.

The West press? My God, they are MONSTROUS inobjective liars. Russian media are not better, however, but who is "a lighthouse of democrasy" here?

The West politics is VERY transparent and aggressive to Russia here since the first day of Ukrainian crisis. Russia just MUST act in its own way.

2. Putin invented Crimea (somebody says even more of Ukraine but this is just more of propaganda). I agree that Russian forces were there since first days of hunta ruling. But what is the reason?

The thing why NATO (I mean EU + USA) is interested in Ukraine is clear. Ukraine has many natural resources including metals, coal, oil etc. Secondly, it has a Black Sea cost where NATO still has no fleet and harbor to moor. Thirdly, the Ukraine potentionally is the first country which territory is close enough to Russia's key military and strategic objects. They are placed in Middle Russia so Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia being members of NATO are not so useful strategically for the Alliance. Saint-Petersburg has no military factories or strategic objects. The same we can say for Caucasus where Georgia is a loyal ally to NATO.

But the Ukraine is different. Its border with Russia lay close to Middle Russia and also not so far from Moscow. While Belarus is still loyal to Russia because of its leader Lukashenko Ukraine was a weak point and a good chance for NATO to change a balance of power. That's why the Maidan happened apart from Yanukovich's corruption and that's why the West is supporting Kiev violently.

What about Russia? Well, Ukraine joining EU and NATO means death to Russian Black Sea fleet (NATO does not permit to base forces of countries who is not a member of the Alliance on its territory). Moreover, it means that NATO gets a real opportunity to threat Russian key city and military objects. This is a catastrophe - strategically. It seems like Cuban Missile Crisis for Russia.

Putin decides to go for broke. Bringing forces to Crimea where 70% of people are Russian. Declaring the hunta is not legitimate. Guaranteeing safety for the only legitimate Ukrainian President Yanukovich. Supporting a referendum in Crimea. I tell you that the referendum was honest and clear - just because there are so many Russians who has relatives in Russia and knows that Russia is 4 times richer than Ukraine WAS before the crisis. So 96% seems to be rather honest number. There was no need for Putin to make a fraud on referendum - this was a game he couldn't lose.

He needs Crimea to keep the Black Sea fleet. He needs Ukraine to be a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Sanctions are nothing comparing to real NATO missiles threat. Can't you understand it?

3. Ukrainian hunta. This is a full mess. People who seized power in the country are natural bandits supported by radical nationalist. Allright, I know your media does not tell you about it but it is truth. The West Ukraine whose people are Catholic always was closer to Poland and Europe than to Russia. Its people are dreaming about a strong one-nation Ukrainian country. They call to kill Russians or expel them from the country - and there are about 10 millions Russian in Ukraine. It seems that Ukraine basically is not single - it is two countries united into one (like Czechoslovakia). Now the power is on West Ukrainians' side and they are growing in its hatred to Russians and Ukrainian Russians from East Ukraine. It means civil war - but not it is delayed by Russian intervention. But you can see that Eastern Ukraine has already begun to make demostrations protecting their right to speak Russian and watch Russian TV. They even ask for Putin to bring Russian army, they are scared of Nazi from Western Ukraine.

Terrible situation. But what is the hunta really doing? They are mobilizing people into National Guard based on nationalists who took part in Maidan. They calls to EU and USA asking for military help and agree with any tough economical reforms the West insists on. They forbid any mass demonstrations and threat to weep them off with a force (!). They cut off all social programs and are going to spend money on their ruined army - now, when the economy is in chaos!

There could be only one conclusion. The hunta is just a temporal government. Their only task is to sing papers about joining EU and NATO. Then they will be retired and any result of election won't change anything.

I hope that we all will be able to understand each other and will not make unclever steps to bigger confrontation. However, I'd like the West to understand that they are not world rulers.

 

You are right many Russian officials do not respect Russian laws. So EU now helps to force Russian officials to respect them. It was the idea of my post. Read closely.

 

According to Russian legislation we have no right to integrate a part of other state without the consent of mother country. As Ukraine will not give such consent. Putin recognizes Crimea as independent state to start the process of integration.

 

Russia is NOT Iraq, or Syria, or Egypt
as true as a physical war
an economic war will have impact on us all.
Certainly Europe more than

The West has certainly demonstrated its' impotence through the Ukrainian affair.
And now, future "warnings" from the West will carry less weight.

BTW a friend of mine is Persian and goes to Iran to help the family business for a few months.
He claims the sanctions have "no effect" and they can find whatever they want.
When such things hurt, it is going to hurt the poorest of an economy. The well to do just pay a little more.


Moi
Who Is The West ?
Multi National Inc.'s is the West. Not me and certainly not you.

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edition> Anschluss

 

I mean let the poor Turks have the all Greek islands ?

i was talking about the political crisis ,

ps Istanbul is not whole country

 

By the way, Anschluss was made at complete support of Austrian population. As well as 96,77 % crimeans have voted for Russia. Study history and respect their choice.

 

Hitler, Stalin , Putin

here is Russian army , we will how log this army can keep occupation of Crimea

 

Moi is right that sanctions usually have little effect. They create a situation analogous to Prohibition in the US - when the things people want are outlawed, a black market forms, selling the same things for much higher prices. The sanctions create an incentive for people to violate them. It's smugglers' heaven.

This highlights the planned impotence of Obama on the world stage. He won't take military action unless it can be blamed on someone else (Iraq, Afghanistan) or done safely with machines (Libya, Yemen). When other countries call his bluff (Iran, North Korea, the Middle East, Crimea), he folds.

Now Russia laughs at Obama and publicly ridicules him. See http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/russian-deputy-pm-laughs-at-obamas-sanctions/ The left used to claim Bush had disgraced the US. But the truth of international politics is that power is everything, and the world knows Obama speaks loudly and carries a small stick.

 

Very lol. Seems you have nothing to say. I look forward to your main argument, your so-called heavy artillery. Name your opponent Vatnik.

Mister Litwin, you start to disappoint me! But I remember the time, you were the good troll. What happened with you?