Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory

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    Theories don't get 'proven,' they get affirmed over time. That's the nature of All Scientific Theories.

    Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
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    http://www.theonion.com/article/evangelical-scientists-refute-gravity-with-new-int-1778

    KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "Theory of Gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.

    Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

    Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."

    Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.

    According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by Secular Gravity alone, including such mysteries as how Angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.

    The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered Both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."...
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    This string/OP is especially for Alter2Ego.

    Warning: Gravity is "Only a Theory"
    by Ellery Schempp
    https://ncse.com/library-resource/gravity-its-only-theory
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    Some people need to realize that physics do still exist in this world.

    God made the world to apply to physics.

    He could have made it differently but he didn't.
     
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    Good to know that even an idiot can earn a degree in Physics - From Oral Roberts University.
     
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    Could you clarify that concept in English:
     
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    Gravity isn't a theory it's a scientific law, same as Newton's other laws.

    Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation states that every partical in the universe attracts every other particle in the universe with a force that is directly proportional to their mass, and inversely proportional to the distance between them. So, the more mass an object has, the stronger it's gravitational pull, and the further away an object being pulled is, the less effect gravity has on it.

    The reason why planets are not simply pulled into their stars is because of a force called inertia, which is basically the counter effect of gravity. As Einstein theorized, every action has an equal and oppsite reaction. Inertia is the counter force to gravity. The combination of the planet's inertia and the star's gravity is what causes an orbit.
     
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    Uh, The Onion. LOL
     
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    Surely just saying we all live in a Universe is a little bit socialist!:angel:
     
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    I love the Onion. Best satire site on the Internet.
     
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    God created Logic for a reason.

    Since none of us know for sure what God did or did not do, your claim is fallacious. Perhaps God is the laws of Physics ?
     
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    OP is assuming that there are actual angels and Jesus did in fact accended into heave. You can not say science fails to explain myths. It is meant to explain the universe, not fairy tales.
     
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    RE: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
    ※→ Daggdag, et al,

    At the outset, the OP is "asserting that the long-held "Theory of Gravity" is flawed." This may or may not be true. It might be. I doubt that you can get very many Physicist and Cosmologist to disagree. But Newtonian Mechanics and General Relativity, describes the effect pretty well. As to what gravity is or its constituent force carrier we do not know. The description of the curvature of spacetime is the current best theory. Just as Newton was overtaken by Einstein three centuries later, so might we expect the current theories pertaining to gravity to be overtaken.

    √• I tend to agree with "Daggdag's" commentary. •√

    (COMMENT)

    I am not convinced that the Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning (ECFR) is doing is actually science; as science is understood in the Scientific Community. The Theory of "Intelligence Falling" is an offshoot of the "Theory of Intelligence Design." Both relay on an unknown higher intelligence (a Supreme Being or some other supernatural) to be the invisible hand behind the effect called the gravitational force.


    The article cited clearly states: "ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible."

    I contend that, as described here, THIS IS NOT PHYSICS. This is not even science. It is Christian Evangelism.


    A "branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible" is a reliable and authentic as the Psychic Entertainment at the carnival shows; Palm Reading - Tarot Card Interpretations - Crystal Ball Visions into the Future, the Ouija Board Contact with the Spirits, and Mediums Contacting the Dead. In the Bible, it opens the door to the believe in the supernatural. While there may be Angels, Demons, Jinn, Fairies, Genies, Ghosts, Hell Hounds, Mummies, Necromancers, Poltergeist, Sorcerers, Vampires, Warlocks, Witches, Werewolves, and (wait for it) Zombies, the only one you have to worry about is the Zombie.
    Check the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention for Zombie Preparedness Products.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Science is a religion like all the rest. It is constantly changing when ignorance is dissipated. But science is also confronted with more magic everyday that they can't explain. This science theory explains how magic fits into quantum mechanics....

    http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html
     
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    Science is the ongoing efforts to discover the creative whims of god
     
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    Isn't that exactly what we need?

    Humans aren't infallible. So, what we have to have is a solid methodology for an orderly progression in improving our understanding. That is what science is.

    Religion lacks such a methodology.

    btw, what you call "magic" in your post is simply math.
     
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    RE: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
    ※→ gophangover, et al,

    Oh for heaven's sake.

    (COMMENT)

    The Scientific Process (or Method) bears no resemblance in any way, shape or form to the Torah, Bible or Quran. While religions differ from faith to faith, and the basic tenants of a religion vary between faiths, the language and fundamentals for each scientific discipline (biology, chemistry, cosmology, geology, paleontology, zoology --- just to name a few) use the same test and measurement devices, language and glossary of terms in the Natural, Formal/Computational and Social Sciences, in order to evaluate empirical data from formal observations and the results of experimentation. Science is about moving forward and discovery of the laws that govern the cosmos. Science is NOT based on the untested and predetermined dogma, or the literal interpretation of the faith based guide.

    Just may thought.

    Most Respectfully,
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    RE: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
    ※→ RPA1, et al,

    That is the theory.

    (COMMENT)

    Man does not know exactly what gravity is. Gravity is a placeholder name; a John Doe in science. We need it to assign our observations to about how we expect Gravity to effect reality.

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    While it may look like we understand the basics of gravity, we do not know what it actually is. It appears to be related to the superstructure of space-time and how mass effects or warps spacetime.

    The idea of space exerting pressure if related to the idea that space may not be empty. This is similar to the ideas of Dark Energy and Dark Matter. Like Gravity, we can see the effects of these unknown. But we have yet to associate it with a force carrier. Oddly enough, some of the evidence for the existence of these unknows is the detection of gravitational lensing.

    Science is always a WIP (Work in Progress). Each answer that is discovered leads to many more questions.

    Most Respectfully,
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    No, it's not simply math....read the link....

    http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html
     
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    All religions put their faith in what they believe....so does science....and they all are constantly changing their beliefs when evidence presents errors. Science resists changes to their beliefs as well as the other religions. Stop resisting, and read the link....

    http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html
     
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    The guy in your cited video says it is math. He presented a mathmatical model. There is no similarity between what he presented and religion.

    If you disagree with him, you need to explain.

    Science stands behind evidence, not belief. Pretty much the only root assumption of science is that we may observe.
     
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    What changes in science are refinements and corrections to current understanding.

    That change is a result of careful observation that has undergone significant verification. And, it is required, because humans make mistakes and humans don't know everything there is to know.

    Statements from science may be traced back to the physical evidence from which they are derived. That is not "belief".
     
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    Math is fact, theory is not.
     
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    Theory is a belief, not a fact. Quantum Mechanics is not even close to being a fact.
     
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    RE: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
    ※→ gophangover, WillReadmore, et al,

    Just my thought... Fact and Theory are only tangentially related. You can say that you cannot walk through a solid brick wall; but that may actually not be true. You call the observation that you cannot walk through a brick wall a fact, but given enough tries, you might just be able to do it.

    Actually your claim is improperly stated.

    Quantum Mechanics (QM) (with emphasis on the "Mechanics") is a set of tools that formulate laws which attempts to explain the behaviors of sub-atomic particles. The basic principles of QM are: 1) Certain properties of sub-atomic particles are quantized (speed, and position are the two most common). 2) The energy of light might act like a particle. And 3) matter can sometimes act like waves of like light.

    The term "Facts" in science is a tricky proposition. Rarely can the term "fact" be applicable in a scientific discussion.

    Most Respectfully,
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