FAA In The Hot Seat Over Boeing 737 Max Certification

Sure passengers rush to read those emergency procedures. Maye you do. Do you see others reading that?

For those who want to see a good attendant explain emergencies check this out.

 

Try this test:

Which US airlines are flying the 737 MAX 8 and 9 variants?

Also, it's a phony poll to ask those bording a MAX if they know about the MAX. If they did they probably would have chosen NOT TO BE THERE to be polled.

People don't have to learn the details of each plane to make these choices. We have a health news system that helps us identify what we actually have to watch for.

You're still suggesting that those who fly commercial carriers are stupid.

 

LOL - I'd stop listening to my podcast for that!

 

Not that they are stupid,.but ignorant. Very different.

I may be the rare poster that took my first flight in either the Stinson Voyager or the Cessna 120 tail dragger. I was allowed by both pilots to handle the controls while flying me as a Civil Air Patrol member.

I was a passenger from the Ft. Benning area Columbus Airport on some kind of prop plane. I do not pretend to recall what it was.

Next flight was from the Air Force base called McGuire in New Jersey to Newfoundland to refuel.We then flew a long ways to Frankfurt Germany on what was really a DC 6 with the passenger seats facing the tail of the airplane. Return on the same model also with the Air force pilot. (Two times landing at Newfoundland.)

Got back to McGuire and spent a week getting out of the active Army. At New York City in 1964 the first plane I worried would fall apart I flew on. The tri tail Constellation. It had sounds like it was going to be torn apart.

A jet from Boston back to San Francisco finished that era of my time serving America.

I am never afraid to fly. I do believe due to ignorance many people fear flying. I do not mind if you don't like it nor believe me.

 

I knew I said ignorant and not stupid.

Proof

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I keep recalling passengers who flew with me as the pilot who had mild fear of flying. They were in some cases almost not willing to fly. I took some with me and allowed them to control the airplane giving them instructions. I never allowed them to take off or land.

When they struggled with control, I resumed control of the airplane. Naturally since I am not an instructor, the could not log time as we log ours.

And now to my actual point. Since from what I am aware of, the typical commercial passenger is not very interested in make or type or model of what they will be in when the commercial pilot takes off. When I was a child, we saw P-38s in the air and had no idea what a jet fighter was.

In fact over the past weekend, I swear I saw a B-17 headed to Moffett Field. As a kid I saw many of them at the Oakland CA airport.

I tend to doubt as ignorant as passengers are, they can tell a Boeing 737 Max from the other version of the 737. Many won't be able to tell a 747 from either plane either.

One of my flight instructors used to point out the types of other airplanes on the way to run up the airplane. I caught him pointing to me a B1RD as a type. He perhaps taught nervous students that thought he actually was discussing an aircraft. I laughed since I caught his joke instantly

 

I'm GA with instruments and land&sea, and currently own a Piper Malibu - pressurized, FL250, 6 pax, ~200 knotts over ground. I've never been commercial.

The land&sea turned out to be a lark, as I have property on an island. But, there is ferry access and an airport and buying a seaplane to bob around my salt water dock didn't appeal. But, land&sea training does improve one's landings!

 

Well hell partner!!!! LOL

I once did plan for a sea plane rating when I was so nuts about flying. A Malibu is a very nice airplane. I can see why you say water landings can improve landings on normal airports.

You are good to go in all weather. But all weather pilots have died due to events like thunder storms. Still you know all of that.

I think and ask you what you believe but our training makes us better auto drivers. What say you?

 

Yes, I mostly fly on the west coast where there are few thunderstorms, and I have an OK but not great strike detector. So, I watch the weather pretty carefuly and our strataform clounds mean I'm almost always in clear air. We also have to watch affects from mountains. I've hit my head hard on the roof going high above mountains near Mt. Rainier in totally clear weather! And, icing can be serious if you descend into the Seattle basin when arriving from the east rather than staying at altitude until leaving the mountains. One can ask for an icing avoidance arrival. I have deicing equipment, but I fly that as backup only. Each area has it's set of concerns, and talking to FBOs is important.

It's probably conceit, but I agree about auto driving. Still, my wife has taken serious defensive driver training and she has worked on training me, not the reverse!

 

In this case the FAA appeared to be a passive system, when the MCAS first activated (any electronics that changes something..., whether behind your back or not, is active), they were nowhere to be found. An active system (that last word changed when I typed it wrong) is the one that changed "systum" to "system." The whole point of all this is we don't need no passive regulators sighing [sic] off of [sic] signing bad ****, when the crap comes "on," it better work. Boeing had a big head, doesn't make them evil, just the FAA stupid for letting the little head get in the way of the big ones.

 

My now retired Air Force dad received orders for Japan in 1961. So we flew on the Constellation to Japan. Returned home in 1965 on a Boeing 707. Thought you would enjoy this video on the first Air Force One used by Eisenhauer.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/04/05/first-air-force-one-columbine-ii-js-origwx.cnn

 

I agree. We all know corporations will try to cut corners and save money which is why taxpayers pay for government agencies to oversee corporations to ensure they comply with FAA regulations. It's just stupid simple common sense to me. Why have government regulators? Boeing is a perfect example as to why. If the FAA had been actively involved in the certifying of the 737 Max Boeing may not be in this situation.

 

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